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10 reasons why I feel insecure as a Hindu, thanks to the Indian state

Discussion in 'National Politics' started by omya, Oct 19, 2017.

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  1. omya

    omya Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Vice President Hamid Ansari is making headlines for his exit interview to Rajya Sabha TV. He spoke at length about how Muslims in the country are ‘feeling uneasy due to the current wave of ‘hyper nationalism’. That he deemed it fit to speak on behalf of only one community and not on wider national issues that are faced by the nation is a debate for another day.

    In his interview, he ascribed the spate of vigilante violence, mob lynching, beef bans, Ghar waapsi campaigns to the breakdown of Indian values. Unfortunately, the current liberal narrative has hyphenated mob lynching with Gau rakshaks and Hindutva forces, though there is enough data to prove otherwise.

    It is a sorry state of affairs that the lynching of Junaid near Faridabad gets acknowledged by the Chief Minister of Kerala while the lynching of Dr Manoj Narang in Delhi was not even acknowledged by the Delhi Chief Minister.

    The Prime Minister and his Cabinet have already addressed the issue of Gau rakshaks on multiple forums. These have all been incidents carried out by individuals with no backing from the State. The perpetrators have also been punished in most cases. Justice has been meted out as the crime was committed by individuals.

    But is redressal possible when injustice is perpetrated by the State?

    Since we are on the subject of citizen insecurity, let us look at a few incidents in recent history, which bring forth a deep sense of insecurity to many, as Hindu citizens of this country:

    1. It is increasingly being revealed how the UPA govt had tried to implicate Hindu terror in what was a cross border attack (with or without local support). It was a well thought out and minutely detailed plot, aimed solely at establishing the existence of something called “Hindu terror”. Not only was this done with the agenda of giving Pakistan a clean chit and a free pass, there was a more nefarious plan of implicating Hindus in terror cases, with the help of the might of the state machinery. Sadhvi Pragya and Colonel Purohit’s lives are a tragic testimony to this. How secure am I supposed to feel as a Hindu when the government of the day was looking at ways of cornering, labelling and brandishing me as a terrorist?
    2. Mulayam Singh has gone on record saying that he had ordered the shooting of Karsevaks to placate the feelings of Muslims after Babri demolition. How secure am I supposed to feel as a Hindu if my blood is going to be used as armour for vote bank politics?
    3. After the 1993 Mumbai blasts, the then Maharashtra Chief Minister Sharad Pawar had concocted a story about a 13thblast, whereas in reality there had been only 12 blasts. The reason for this blatant lie was that all 12 blasts had occurred in Hindu dominated localities and he did not want Muslims to be victimised. Thus he added a fictitious account of a blast in Masjid Bunder, a Muslim dominated locality in Mumbai. To add insult to injury, he was praised by Justice Srikrishna Commission for this noble gesture. How secure should this make me feel as a Hindu citizen?
    4. Haji Mehboob, a litigant in Babri Masjid dispute was exposed on secret tape proudly admitting that he threw bombs at Hindus for 2.5 hours back in 1992, and further proclaiming that he would not hesitate throwing bombs at devotees if Ram Mandir was constructed on the disputed site. He roams free. How secure am I expected to feel as a Hindu if I cannot pray in a temple that will only come up after a due legal process has been conducted?
    5. Talking of throwing bombs at Hindu devotees, there have been numerous attacks on Amarnath Yatris in the last decade or more. How secure should I feel as a Hindu if I’m not confident of returning alive from one of the oldest pilgrimages, that dates back to the 11th century in a state that is being aggressively eyed by Islamists? And when the state, for a change, helps Hindus here, blatant Hinduphobia is spread by international publications calling it ‘Weaponisation of spiritual tourists’. Are we supposed to just die? Lebensunwertes Leben?
     
  2. omya

    omya Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    6. How secure am I supposed to feel as a Hindu in Kanglapahari village in West Bengal where I am not allowed to organise or participate in Durga Pujo celebrations? Because I am told my celebrations may offend the local Muslim community?
    7. How safe did Kashmiri Hindus feel when messages of hatred were delivered to them from loudspeakers in mosques back in 1990? How safe do Kashmiri Hindus feel now at the prospect of going back to the only place they have ever called Home?
    8. How safe does the juvenile Hindu boy somewhere in West Bengal feel after he has been jailed for an innocuous Facebook post? (Though in this case must admit he is probably safer in jail than out of it).
    9. How safe should Hindus feel when the constitution doesn’t allow them to run schools and institutions that can preserve and promote their culture and beliefs? You need to have a minority tag to have this right. Hindu groups are now in a race to prove that they are not Hindus so that they can have “minority” rights. Imagine, a constitution that forces Muslims to prove they are non-Muslims if they want these rights.
    10. How safe and secure should Hindus feel when hate crimes against them are not even acknowledged as hate crimes, and their religious festivals are branded as provocative political gestures that must be banned? And if they can’t be defamed and banned, put restrictions on them and extract money for celebrating the festivals. Jaziya anyone?
    These are just 10 reasons – one each for every year Hamid Ansari spent in a constitutional office. But trust me, one each for every week can be found, but let us keep it short. You get the drift basically.

    It is abundantly evident that an average Hindu citizen in India has enough reasons to feel “insecure” as well. Probably more so as erstwhile governments and secular state governments have been guilty on numerous occasions of using their might to oppress or tarnish Hindus.

    The Muslim citizen on the other hand has been pandered to by the State with multiple overreach programmes. What we are looking at today is lawless behaviour by a few individuals (which is peddled as Muslims under attack) vs Victimisation by the State (Which has been proved to be a reality under former governments).

    While we witness awards being returned for one, the other is brushed under the carpet or dismissed as Whataboutery. This hypocrisy of seculars has already yielded terrible electoral results for them. But for some strange reason they refuse to see the writing on the wall.

    Perhaps they were confident that thanks to their command over media and academia, they have convinced the average Hindu to live perpetually in guilt and be blind and numb to these injustices. Perhaps they were confident because the narrative has been hijacked by self- hating Hindus in positions of power, who have peddled untruths and half lies to the unsuspecting masses all along.

    Thankfully an awakening has been witnessed among many Hindus, who refuse to tow the burden of secularism any longer. Faux victimisation and shaming the country is no longer being accepted without a murmur. The backlash received by Mr Ansari bears testimony to the fact.

    http://www.opindia.com/2017/08/just...ecure-as-a-hindu-thanks-to-bias-of-the-state/
     
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    Good questions to Ansari. Can I ask Mr. Ansari only one question ? He will be really troubled. Mr. Ansari was India’s ambassador to Iran. Why didn’t he attempt to save the embassy staff when they were harassed by Iranian Security agencies? By the way, one of his kids got married to an Iranian politician’s daughter. On top of all, who’s Mukthar Ansari, who’s prime accused in several cases? So many accusations on Mr. Ansari? He must shut his mouth.

    Unease feelings prevailing with his bros? He’s most welcome to live in Faislabad or Rawalpindi.
     
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  4. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    The biggest challenge to the State is from religion. India is a supposed Secular State. As such, the acts in India are those of a state which is anything but.

    Secularism means that the State does not interfere in religion or allow religion to interfere in it's activities. The first and foremost requirement for secularism is the relegation of the religion to the individual space and not to the public space/national discourse.

    In India, in the name of religion, the overt expression of religious practices and attire, as also festivities, have created a concept of secularism where it is taken as a right to bring religion to street creating a situation of annoyance and nuisance in the process, with scant regard to public property and peace.


    A nation is not defined by land or by religion, but by idea and common values and culture. While India has supposedly become a secular and united nation, the actions of both the political class and the citizens are anything but.

    Today, secularism is defined as being tolerant of all public nuisance undertaken in name of religion, in public space and domain. It was always bound to be dangerous for a society. While, majority has to prove it's secular credentials by accepting restrictions on their practices, the minority has to be seen enjoying the secularism in overt manner by allowing space for ridiculous practices in name of religious freedom.

    If we take the example of the Azan - you have loud speakers blaring away at early hours of the morning (when sane people sleep), calling on faithful to pray. Since when has one's religion taken a precedence wherein the individual rights of the citizen are trampled so brazenly?

    Not to be outdone, there is the festival of Ganesh Chaturthi, started by Lokmanya Tilak to mobilise the Indians for independence movement. Every year, in name of this festival, late night drums are being beaten in brazen contravention of the Supreme Court directives and being enabled by the local police forces and administration. Then, to top it all, in Hyderabad, the entire area near Hussain Sagar lake is sealed off and the sidewalks are broken to enable immersion of idols. Who is participating in this revelry? Those who are not paying any taxes. How are the pavements made? By our taxes.

    As long as this bullshit of allowing religion in public space continues, the political parties and vested interests will keep using it to further their own interests by dividing the society.

    Such write ups, as above, do not reduce the fissures, merely potentiate and inflame them further.

    Need of the hour is to consolidate the nation as a people and not as a religion.

    Mind you: demographic change has to be fought, as that is a threat to national security. But there are other means of doing that instead of tearing your own society and playing into the hands of inimical forces.
     
  5. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    Nope- definition of secularism in Indian constitution is 'equal respect for all religions' though there was a vague believe that when the population becomes educated and sensible it will turn towards removing religion from the equation. As late as 1960s to 1970s Brahmins would cook their own food, you can't mandate 'no religion' to a population like that. I like what we did- recognize that we were basically @$$holes and we need time to smarten up. But looking at people like @omya in 2017 I think the journey towards better sense is going to be a very very diffcult one.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    The so called Hindus of India have only two branches- Sanatan & Arya Samaj. Everyone just loves to call us names for our Varna System which became Caste system, thanks to Islamic Invasions.
    Now consider this, Christianity in India alone have over 2500 different sects with each one having its own church and allows entry to only the members of that particular sect within their Church. All other sects are denied entry. No one talks about denial of entry to other Christians belonging to other sects.
    Islam has over 72 sub sects, Each has its own Masjids and every sect disallows entry to those masjids to other sects. While they all believe in same Allah. Muslims are well ahead of Christians as they not only deny entry but also go and bomb and destroy other Masjids and call members of other sects-Non Muslims who fit for being killed.

    YET

    we Hindus are idiots and our religion most stupid and its followers need to be converted to become more educated to bring them closer to a God which differentiates between his own children and also authorises them to kill anyone whom they THINK is not a perfect practitioner of that religion.
    No religion in the world has place for so called Atheists. Not even Buddhsism forget about Islam or Christianity. Only Sanatan Dharma has place for them. Yet we have idiots like Kamala Hasan, who calls himself Atheist, bad mouthing Sanatan Dharma.

    One of the best part about all these so called social reformers is that they speak up only against Hinduism but find nothing wrong with religions like Islam and Christianity.
    No religion is perfect and no god is perfect because we, the human beings created Gods and religions which have become a property of so called Priests/Maulavis and Fathers.
     
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    India is a country built on the foundations of a civilisation that is fundamentally tolerant.
    -Rajni Kothari

    The problem is Hindus have realized that they have been at the receiving end of their tolerance, that it's not been a two-way street. That's why we are now seeing a backlash. Every time someone makes an anti-Hindu comment, they are being attacked.

    I agree, we can't allow a demographic change and it has to be tackled differently, not like this.

    But--
    http://www.hindustantimes.com/bhopa...vid-frawley/story-ZpQtpKY4Mv0iVdXCelZAjK.html
     
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    The evolution of most 'hindus'(there is no such word)

    ancient
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    now
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    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    I have huge issues with these statements. My belief is that for political and economic benefit communities executed a highly divisive caste system. This divided and weakened the hindu community. When islamic invasions happened we could not withstand it because of these weaknesses. And post invasion in the new political structure the 'haves' continued to maintain their strong stance on caste to continue with benifits. They justified it using 'we are tolerant argument'
     
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    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    You are missing a key dimension. Caste is real because caste gives economic benefits. A large community of people available at cheap rates because of being cornered in particular trades is the real logic of caste- religion is just the cover. And Christianity (Dalit Christians) etc, only show that the people of the subcontinent have invented new ways in all religions to replicate that logic.
    If you look at past histories of national resistance (King Alfred of England etc.), an effective counter to an invading army (like the Ghaznavis, Taimur etc.) happens only when there is a national movement with all involved. What resistance did we offer to the invading forces? Rajputs with 20% of the population setting out for glory? What about the rest of the 80% who could have resisted if they were not kept out of battle and their psychological and cultural degragdation due to 'low status' had not been so massive after centuries of abuse.
     
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    Muslim appeasement is a Reality

    Till Very recently ; Congress and other Secular Parties
    used to Utter Only Two Words

    Minorities and Secularism

    Hindus are just taken for Granted

    This has led to Hindu Consolidation and which will Happen even more in future

    Just let the 2021 census results come out
     
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    You take away the gold of our temples and will not touch the money of church or funds coming from abroad for Islam and Christianity. You change our personal laws with Hindu succession act 1956 without a reason the same constitution was in place and declare in 2017 in the case of triple Talaq that personal laws can't be touched. You can amend any tradition of Hindus but you are shit scared of changing any tradition of muslims like bakr eid. Do you know what Bakr eid is supposed to be as per Islam? Give away as donation to Allah which is most loved by you. The tradition started when one of the followers chopped the heads of his sons to please Allah and Allah returned them.
    Let Sharia Court of India enforce this islamic practice which asks muslims to sacrifice their sons to Allah and let Allah bring them back to life. I am perfectly fine with this Islamic practice and this will also ensure that Article 14 & 21 of our constitution is followed to the letter. Force personal law of islam on muslims.
    Hai kissy main dum? All these Sharia court Judges, earn their pay from majority of Hindu tax payers but they are fucking cheats who sing the tune of Islamists.
     
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    Caste system was rigid. But that isn't the be all and end all of Hinduism.

    High caste Hindus are the most deprived of all Indians. There is literally no support for high caste Hindus from anywhere.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    tell me one religion which does not have castes? Every religion does it but they call it CLASS. High class muslims do not marry low class muslims. Christians do not marry out of their class and sect. Arabs have even banned marriage of Arab women with non Arab men. Why blame Hinduism alone?
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    Noooooooooooo!

    42nd Amendment only introduced the word into preamble.

    Please read the definition of word secular.

    While spirit of the word may define what you have said, the word by itself means 'not connected with religious or spiritual matters'.

    In India there is a word prepone .. an incorrect word as the word is advance and not prepone. That may convey a meaning but it is not legal to be used in TOEFL!! :D

    Similarly, the word itself is clear. The 'spirit' of the word can not mean contravention of the other rights under constitution .... which is indeed happening!




    :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
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