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1000+ India Soldiers on Hunger Strike after the Killing of 2 Jawans

Discussion in 'Indian Army' started by Manmohan Yadav, Jan 11, 2013.

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  1. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    The IA doesn't revolt. It's way too professional to be let itself be led by momentary emotions. They know their job and have done it flawlessly throughout their history 'without passion or prejuidice' towards momentary events. And no- no matter how fondly we fantasize, PA isn't gonna 'mobilize' coz 1000 soldiers are on hunger strike- that would be because they think the threat levels have gone up.
     
  2. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Rajput Regiment of IA has soldiers only from Rajputana area and mostly Rajputs only. We have some regiments called pure regiments based on the background based on the area of India from which they come from. Jaats, Rajputs, Punjab, Dogra, Kumaun, Garhwal, Gurkha, Sikh, Maratha, Bihar, Assam, JAKLI & JAK Rif etc. These regiments have soldiers mainly from the areas from where they get their name or soldiers who are mostly from these castes. we also have mixed regiments like Mahar, Grenadiers, Presidents Body Guards, Sikh LI, Rajputan Rif etc. These regiments have troops from similar caste lines but from areas other than the troops from the so called pure regiments.
    Rajputana Rifles has a mix of Rajputs from out of Rajputana+Jaats+Yadavs+Gujjars+othrs. This is a very heady mix of most valiant martial castes of India. PA has done the biggest stupidity by taking away the head of one their soldiers. These guys will chop and hand the heads of PA soldiers outside their posts and will not stop till they do it.
    My elder Bro was an officer in 10th Dogra. When he was about to pass out of IMA, he got miss informed that he was getting posted to Sikh Li, He wanted Dogra, but in the end he got what he wanted. Officers find it easy to control one single breed of soldiers, controlling a mixed group is very difficult.
     
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  3. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Well then, it's a lie.

    Mobilization is no joke buddy. Mobilization would mean all sorts of build up on the LoC, a mass-haul of fire-power.
    If PA mobilize, so will IA, situation could escalate quickly. Little sparks can trigger a chain reaction.

    PA hasn't mobilized, from what I know from my sources, nor will they unless needed.
     
  4. Manmohan Yadav

    Manmohan Yadav Brigadier STAR MEMBER

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    I guess the primary reason for it is the very diverse culture of India
    Like Oil and water
     
  5. Manmohan Yadav

    Manmohan Yadav Brigadier STAR MEMBER

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    well who knows all kinds of stuff is flying around ATM
    But the Hunger Strike is True

    1/3rd of the Young men in my family serve
    in the armed forces and the para military forces
    so I know what goes Inside the military well in advance of the Media
     
  6. brahmos_ii

    brahmos_ii Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    You don’t need a machete. Once a soldier is shot dead, a boot is placed on his head and a combat knife is used to hack the head off. Watch the video of Daniel Pearl’s execution (the kidnapped Wall Street Journal reporter decapitated by militants in Karachi in 2001).” It’s a cold, clinical explanation from an Indian Army officer of how Pakistani soldiers may have decapitated two Indian soldiers they killed in a January 8 raid in Poonch, 80 km south west of state capital Srinagar.


    It’s the most serious violation of the September 2003 ceasefire signed by Atal Bihari Vajpayee and Pervez Musharraf. Both sides agreed to end the frequent artillery and machine gun duels along the 740 km Line of Control (LoC). India blames the Pakistani army for the attacks, and lists 120 ceasefire violations in 2012, among the highest since the 2003 agreement. It says Pakistanis fire to cover infiltration by militants across the LoC before snow sets in.



    The guns haven’t fallen silent. The knives haven’t been sheathed either. Barbaric cross-border head-hunting raids, where soldiers are killed and heads brought back as trophies, are a Pakistani calling card. Such sneak attacks have till now been kept a secret by the Indian Army that has masked them through outright denials or attributed the deaths to border firefights.

    On January 8, this shadow war spilled out into the open when Pakistani troops from the Baloch regiment crossed the LoC in the Poonch sector and killed Lance Naik Hemraj and Lance Naik Sudhakar Singh of the Rajputana Rifles. Both soldiers were decapitated and one head carried across the border.

    A spokesman of the Army’s Northern Command said the soldiers had “laid down their lives” to fight back a Pakistani intrusion. A senior Army official in New Delhi, too, said the bodies had been “mutilated”, but admitted in private that they had been decapitated. Defence Minister A.K. Antony called the incident “highly provocative”, even as Shiv Sena demanded his resignation.

    The Pakistan foreign office termed the charges as “baseless and unfounded allegations”. “Pakistan is prepared to hold probes through United Nations Military Observer Group for India and Pakistan on the recent ceasefire violations on the LoC,” the statement added.

    The same day, Pakistan’s foreign ministry in Islamabad summoned the Indian deputy high commissioner to lodge a protest over an “unprovoked attack” by Indian forces on a Pakistani post that killed one soldier and wounded another. The implication was, the beheading was a Pakistani retaliation.

    But more worrying are raids by Pakistani Special Services Group (SSH) commandos organised into Border Action Teams (BATS)-dedicated forces tasked with crossing the LoC and killing Indian soldiers. The acronym is an Indian Army coinage and indicative of how frequent the raids are. bat raids, say Army officials, are not impulsive, but come after careful reconnaissance of vulnerable spots along the LoC.

    Fidayeen attacks and cross-border head-hunting raids began after the Kargil War, which had its share of barbarity. A six-man patrol led by Captain Saurabh Kalia was captured by Pakistani soldiers in the Kaksar sector. Kalia and his men were tortured for 22 days, executed, and their mutilated bodies handed back to the Indian Army.

    In February 2000, seven months after the Kargil War, the Indian Army came face to face with this new brutality. A Pakistani bat ambushed and killed seven Indian soldiers in Nowshera in Rajouri district. The Army was shocked to discover the headless body of a soldier. The inquiry into the incident omitted mention of the headless corpse of Sepoy Bhausaheb Talekar. Subsequent interrogation of a captured militant revealed that the head of the soldier was brandished as a trophy in Pakistan. The militant, who claimed he was part of the raid, said they had played football with the soldier’s head. Pakistani scribe Hamid Mir wrote that the raid was led by Ilyas Kashmiri, a former SSG commando who later headed huji’s 313 Brigade. Kashmiri was killed in a 2011 US drone strike.

    The 2003 ceasefire brought a lull in such incidents, but head-hunting raids are believed to have continued. In July 2011, Indian Army hushed up the brutal killing of Havildar Jaipal Singh Adhikari and Lance Naik Devender Singh of the Rajput regiment in Kupwara district. Their bodies were sent to their families in Uttarakhand in sealed caskets as they were “badly mutilated”, and cremated as such. Their deaths were attributed to a firefight with militants along the border.

    Army officials say beheadings-an ancient wartime tactic-terrorise troops and are used to collect war trophies and wage psychological warfare. Pakistani Taliban uses video-graphed beheadings against Pakistani army in Waziristan. Last June, Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan released a video that showed 17 decapitated Pakistani soldiers. Pakistan army’s beheadings have now turned the spotlight on Pakistan’s sincerity towards the peace process. More so because the Indian Army decided to make the incident public. A senior Army official says the Army confirmed the incident as it had become increasingly difficult to conceal mutilated bodies from families.

    “Pakistan army and civilian administration are not in sync with each other,” says Lt-General B.S. Jaswal, former Northern Army commander. The Army has turned down suggestions of approaching the International Court of Justice over the beheadings, as it says this would amount to third-party mediation in J&K, something Pakistan favours.

    The Indian Government appears unwilling to escalate the incident. “Whatever has happened should not be escalated. We can’t and mustn’t allow an escalation of a very unwholesome event that has taken place,” Foreign Minister Salman Khurshid told a press conference. But there are indications an Indian retaliation is in the offing. “Not here, not now, but at a time and place of our choosing,” a senior Army official warns. It means the LoC is unlikely to be a quiet place anytime soon.

    Pakistani Barbarism At The Border | idrw.org
     
  7. Star Wars

    Star Wars Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    the media is acting like war has allready started ,Information mininstry should take some action...
     
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  8. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    I wont doubt the claims of hunger strike. They seem to be well-reported and as you've said yourself, insider confirmed.

    But this is what I said before, expect all sorts of misinformation and outlandish claims.
    Just keep a cool head when hearing any news.
     
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  9. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    How I wish you were true bro? But you are far away from the reality. IA has told our own Def Min not to visit troops for his own security.
     
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  10. Manmohan Yadav

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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Rajputanas are on hunger strike and they have avery wide support from entire Indian Armed forces including IN & IAF. They are asking for blood bro.
     
  12. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    I agree.
    Too much misinformation and the hostility of Indian media and false reports from India TV and others does not help.
     
  13. Manmohan Yadav

    Manmohan Yadav Brigadier STAR MEMBER

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    Yaar Jungi, how many times i have told you
    never count India TV as a news channel,
    its more of a Comedy Central of India
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    If PA had tried this with Sikhs or Punjab or Jaats, the entire post of PA from whr these guys came wud have been massacred by now. PA seems to have gone grossly wrong this time.
     
  15. Star Wars

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    Its not the first time , they did the same thing with China where china complained about Indian media , Australia also complained about Indian media on Racism issue...they are retarded , people who believe them are more retarded..
     
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