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300 Fifth Generation Fighters, 45 Medium Transport Aircrafts for India

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  1. Desi Jatt

    Desi Jatt Captain ELITE MEMBER

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    300 Fifth Generation Fighters, 45 Medium Transport Aircrafts for India

    2010-10-07 Defence Minister A K Antony and his Russian counterpart Anatoly Serdyukov, who met in New Delhi over the last two days, decided to take forward the joint fifth generation combat jets (FGFA) and muti-role transport aircraft (MTA) projects over the next 10 years, under which India would get about 250 to 300 of FGFAs and 45 MTAs.

    They signed a protocol for furthering of defence ties between the two nations and continuing till 2020 the military technical commission, a unique arrangement, that the two nations have. "There are some areas of concern such as the delays (in delivery of defence systems). All these issues, we discussed over yesterday and today," Antony said at a joint press conference with Serdyukov here after the 10th Inter- Governmental Commission for Military and Technical Cooperation (IGC-MTC) meeting.

    However, he said, the two sides also decided to find a satisfactory solution to the issue, with Serdyukov assuring Antony that he would take "personal interest" in the projects and satisfactorily solve the problems they were encountering. "I am happy about the outcome of the meeting," he added. He pointed out that India and Russia were pursuing a large number of joint projects for defence systems and equipment for the Army, the Navy, the Air Force and the DRDO including BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles.

    India had bought Gorshkov in 2004 for USD 974 million and its delivery, originally fixed for 2008, has now been finalised for 2012-13 after India fulfilled the Russia's demand for USD 2.34 billion early this year. In the case of the Akula-II nuclear powered submarine, the two sides have now reportedly postponed the delivery to March next year, though India was supposed to get it last year after trials.

    Serdyukov seconded Antony's views on the numerous joint projects, but said he too had raised certain issues with his Indian counterpart, which the two sides agreed to resolve to the satisfaction of both. Noting that there was a "great volume" of joint projects between the two countries, Serdyukov said, "it is but natural that in such a number of projects we have some delays. I underscore that it is critical to these projects."

    Noting that FGFA and MTA would be the "flagship" Indo-Russian joint projects for the next 10 years, Antony said India would get about 250 to 300 of FGFA and 45 MTAs. He said the two countries had already signed the shareholders agreement for the MTA project, while a joint venture was being finalised for the same.

    "We have discussed all issues and these have been resolved satisfactorily. We are in the final stages and the proposals are currently with Indian government for some technical formality. We will finalise them very soon and sign the final agreements (for FGFA and MTAs) within a few months," he added.
     
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    Desi Jatt Captain ELITE MEMBER

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    India, Russia Inch Closer to Seal Fighter, Transport Aircraft Deal

    2010-10-07 The Tenth Meeting of the India-Russia Inter-Governmental Commission on Military Technical Cooperation (IRIGC-MTC) was held here today. The Defence Minister Shri AK Antony and the Russian Defence Minister Mr. AE Serdyukov headed the respective delegations. The Indian delegation included Defence Secretary Shri Pradeep Kumar, Secretary (Defence Production) Shri RK Singh, Shri VK Saraswat, Scientific Adviser to Defence Minister and other senior officials of the Ministry of Defence and the Armed Forces. The Russian delegation included representatives from the Russian Ministry of Defence and the Russian Defence Industry.

    In his opening remarks at the IRIGC-MTC meeting, Shri Antony said that India values the strong and multifaceted friendship with Russia and noted that the defence relationship between both countries is based on convergent and complementary interests and has been mutually beneficial. He also observed that the bilateral defence cooperation with Russia is a comprehensive partnership, in which both countries have moved beyond the buyer-seller relationship and are collaborating in joint R&D and production of defence equipments and systems.

    The Commission took note of the progress on several major projects since its last meeting, which was held in Moscow in October 2009. Both sides expressed satisfaction at the conclusion of the Shareholders Agreement for formation of a Joint Venture Company for the development and production of the Multirole Transport Aircraft (MTA). Further, both sides agreed to expedite modalities for the proposed project for the joint design, development and production of the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA).

    "India hopes to get 45 MTA and also finalize the FGFA, … all the issues we have discussed and solved between our two countries… now it is in the final stages of the Indian government, some technical formalities between the governments is needed and I am sure we will be able to complete very soon…within a few months," Shri Antony later told a joint press conference. "As per this agreement India will receive approximately between 250-300 most modern FGFA. These two projects are the major achievements of this year and for the next ten years these two projects, MTA and FGFA, will be a shining example of India and Russian defence cooperation," he added.

    "We have very good big plans and we have very serious projects and work before us. And this, as I said, will be a big challenge and we will try to do our best in order to prove that our bilateral cooperation can give us very good practical results," said Mr. Serdyukov.

    The Joint Commission also reviewed the status of several other ongoing and proposed projects, including the licenced production of T-90 Tanks and the establishment of the repair and overhaul facilities for various Russian origin defence equipment in India.

    The IRIGC-MTC was established in 2000, with a view to further bilateral defence cooperation between India and Russia. Russia is the only country with which India has such an institutionalized mechanism at the level of the Defence Ministers of both sides, which highlights the strength and importance of the bilateral defence relationship. The Commission is supported by two Working groups – on Military Technical Cooperation and Shipbuilding, Aviation and Land Systems respectively and seven sub-groups.

    The scope for military technical cooperation between both countries is defined through an umbrella inter-Governmental agreement; and Agreement on a long term programme for military and technical cooperation for the period 2011-2020 was signed during the visit of the Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh to Russia in December last year.

    Prior to the IRIGC meeting today, both Defence Ministers also held separate discussions on various issues of regional and global security. Both Ministers agreed on the need to enhance interactions between the Armed Forces of both countries. Noting that a joint exercise between the Armies of both sides is due to be held in India this month, both Ministers also decided that a joint exercise between the Armed Forces would be held in Russia in 2011. The Russian Defence Minister also stated that the Chief of Defence Forces of Russia would visit India in November this year and that the Russian Navy Chief would visit in January 2011.
     
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    prototype Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    the number about FGFA is swelling the every passing day....sure thats going to b a big head ache for both of our neighbours

    and by the way 45 transport aircraft is also a big good number,thats going to help our airlift capability in a big way

    and this will help in the transition of IAF from a regional power to a more globally influential airforce,and in the future it seems it is more of about our airforce and navy which enemies need to fear than our army
     
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    Our Neighbors .............

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  5. Arjun MBT

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    I am Pretty Amazed by this News..... But Iam A Bit Confused, Is it Going to Be Just another MKI Like Deal or Will India play an Active role In Developing the Aircraft and Get an Equal Rights to Market??

    And About MTA we all Know that India is Playing an Active role From the Very Beginning , and HAL Kanpurs Plant is all Set up to Have all the facilities needed to Manufacture High End Aircrafts Like this, and Will also make a Civilian Version of this Aircraft
     
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    India's role in PakFa is similar to Pakistan's role in JF-17. Its all limited to funds and a requirements list that Russia will make sure FGFA will meet.
    We won't be providing any technical knowhow. But we will be using our technical expertise to manufacture some of the less complex equipment here in India, so that the costs are reduced.
     
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    Hmnn Yes, I too have a Similar View As That of Yours, But I am Unable to Figure Out Our Expertise In Making Equipments which Could Get a Place In One of the Worlds Latest Technologies, Well The EW Suit ,Our Mission Computers,Display Processor,Radar Computer, Radar Warning Receiver , High Accuracy Direction Finding Module Etc etc would be the fields We would be Targeting Upon, Isnt it Jagjit???
     
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    and composites,what about it,India is touted to b very advanced in composites
     
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    Yes, India has Found a Good Place Among the Countries who are Well Versed In Composite science...
     
  10. Blackenthesky

    Blackenthesky 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    No mate..they weren't scared when you announced ''we are going to make nuclear weapon''instead they answered aswell,so in this case,maye later but still your neighbours will get a bird equal to it.
     
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    Composites, I don't think so. There are hundreds of types of composites. The kind of composites India works on are not complex ones. They can not be used for such a high end aircraft. India won't work on engines or radars either. What India would work on, will be parts like multi-function displays, radar warning receivers, pilot-friendly controls, landing gear, hydraulics, parts of airframe etc.

    FGFA unlike PakFa would have a lot of Israeli equipment, possibly the EW suite would be Israeli too.
     
  12. Arjun MBT

    Arjun MBT Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Jagjit bhai, Composite science Comes from the Very Beginning Of The 7th Std NCERT books , And Its Been long since this tradition, And I dont really really Think we work on Simple Composites, More over India's biggest composites event, the International Conference and Exhibition on Reinforced Plastics (ICERP), was held in Mumbai, India, in February. The fourth in the series, this event demonstrated a big step up for the country's composites industry

    The Indian economy is buoyant, and over the last three years the composites industry has seen business improve greatly.
     
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    jagjitnatt Major ELITE MEMBER

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    I know what you are talking about. But the composites India focuses on are plastics, and wood related. We focus more on enhancing the physical properties of the material. We haven't worked on composites which have favorable characteristics regarding radar reflectivity. We manufacture composites in quantity because our composites are used in household items. Similar is the case for China.

    Quality composites are still being manufactured only in US, UK, Germany, and Russia.

    Our products are low cost plywood, plastic goods, different polyester and lately fiberglass.
     
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    prototype Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    but then it is said that FGFA will b incorporating Indian composites,so how much real is that,and what about our RCM coating capability,i dont think we r in a favorable position here
     
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    I haven't come across a single reference that states India would be incorporating its own composites. Its all hype and rumors. India isn't going to play any role in PakFa. Its just like ordering a Pizza from a shop. You specify your requirements, pay and take the pizza. No more.
     
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