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Ahimsa parmo Dhram, But Hinsa is greater Dhram is done to protect 'Dharam'.

Discussion in 'Indian Military Doctrine' started by NS52, Jul 19, 2017.

  1. NS52

    NS52 MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    The stand off at Dokalm calls for a break between the two nations. One thing is very clear India has to continue to defy China and force her to withdraw, for two very great reasons
    1. Dokalam Plateau is important strategically to protect the vital narrow corridor between New Jalpai Guri and Guwahati. This is important.
    2. It is the second reason that takes precedence over all- India has to uphold its commitment for protecting Bhuttan under Treaty. It is the honour of nation to stand by its commitment. This will add stature to the nation many fold.
    In no case can India pull back.
    India has an option to rake up Tibet issue. Which is very hot primarily due large scale settelemnt of Han s in Tibet and closing of the monastries.
    China is also facing the wrath of the Muslims.
    BUT ONE THING MUST BE CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD INDIA HAS TO FIGHT ITS OWN BATTLES
     
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  2. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    so you have chosen the title based on what I wrote on another thread about Ahimsa and stupidity of "Vasudhaiva Kutumbkam".
     
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  3. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    Interesting to see Delta Squadron here the two commentators.

    @vstol jockey meet your torchbearer from same Squadron :D @NS52 40th Course :D
     
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  4. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    OMG!!! What a pleasant surprise. How are you sir?
     
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  5. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    In the other thread about the same issue, I had written that all this game is about the CPEC. Now read what china has done. They have moved a very large amount of equipment close to Ladakh border. The game is to take out Kashmir from India with Pakistan support thru a joint attack in Kashmir using Doka La as the back drop. Why Kashmir? because China knows that if India takes over POK, its 60B are down the Drain.

    China May Have Quietly Moved Tonnes of War Gear Into Northern Tibet, Claims Report
    Wednesday, July 19, 2017 by Indiandefense News
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    China recently carried out a ‘live-fire’ drill, its latest military exercise in Tibet, which is being seen as a message to India. Border guards of the two countries are in a standoff along India’s northeastern frontier for more than a month now

    The PLA Daily, which is the mouthpiece of China’s military, said the hardware was moved late last month.

    China moved “tens of thousands of tonnes” of military equipment, including army vehicles, and troops to Tibet in late June, coinciding with the border standoff with India, media reports have said.

    The hardware was moved simultaneously by road and rail by the western theatre command that handles, among others, border issues with India, the reports said.

    “The vast haul was transported to a region south of the Kunlun mountains in northern Tibet by the western theatre command, which oversees the restive regions of Xinjiang and Tibet, and handles border issues with India,” the Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post said on Wednesday, quoting the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Daily.

    The Chinese rhetoric on the month-long standoff in Doklam region close to Sikkim on India’s northeastern border is getting shriller by the day, with the state media often warning of all-out war.

    The transfer of equipment was most likely related to the stand-off and could have been designed to bring India to the negotiating table, Ni Lexiong, a Shanghai-based military commentator, told the South China Morning Post. “Diplomatic talks must be backed by military preparation,” he said.

    The PLA Daily, which is the mouthpiece of China’s military, said the hardware was moved late last month.

    But none of the reports said if the transfer was to support military drills being held in Tibet, including in the middle and lower reaches of the Yarlung Zangbo river, close to Arunachal Pradesh, India’s easternmost state claimed by China as south Tibet.
     
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  6. vstol jockey

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    And we have this idiot sucking up the backside of Pakistanis,
    China Is Our Enemy, Not Pakistan As It Cannot Harm India, Says Mulayam Singh Yadav In Lok Sabha
    Wednesday, July 19, 2017 by Indiandefense News
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    The Samajwadi Party patriarch Mulayam Singh Yadav on Wednesday said that China is India's enemy and not Pakistan
    New Delhi:
    The Samajwadi Party patriarch Mulayam Singh Yadav on Wednesday said that China is India’s enemy and not Pakistan. He made this statement during the proceedings of the Lok Sabha at the Monsoon Session of Parliament on Wednesday when the Doklam standoff issue was raised. “Pakistan cannot harm us. It cannot harm India. Our enemy is China and not Pakistan (Pakistan humara kuch nahi bigaad sakta, kuch nahi kar sakta humare Hindustan ka. China hamara dushman hai Pakistan nahi hai).”

    Speaking on the ongoing standoff between China and India at Doklam, Mulayam further said that India is responsible for the protection of Bhutan and Sikkim (Bhutan aur Sikkim ki raksha karna Bharat ki zimmedaari hai).

    He also said that he has the information that China has buried an atom bomb in Pakistan and that China is fully prepared to carry out an attack on India (Humen khabar di gyi h Atom bomb Pak ki zameen mein China ne gaad diya hai. China puri taiyyari kar chuka hai Hindustan pe hamle ki).

    “Today, India faces huge threat from China. The country is taking Pakistan under its clutches and is planning something disastrous against India,” Yadav was quoted by ANI as saying.

    On Tuesday, Foreign Secretary Jaishankar had informed a parliamentary committee that China, unlike in the past, was articulating its position more aggressively. He asserted that the standoff will be resolved diplomatically.

    He is learnt to have said that while both countries stick to their positions, the situation is not as volatile as is being projected.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Check out where the Kunlun mountains are and south of these mountains is Aksai Chin and India's borders in central sector. They want to attack Kashmir and also move from Himachal Pradesh to completely yank off J&K state from India. This is what I had predicted about 10 days back that they will attack elsewhere in Aksai Chin or central sector where our defences are week as Chumbi Valley is a death trap for them.
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    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    It's very important to keep the offence on Dhoklam. Till now they've done a very good job. But we should continue down this path. China has for some reason decided they can grab land and resources from everywhere.
     
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    ahimsa paramodharma is only good when you actually have the strength to defend yourself. a weak person calling for peaceful living does not show the same integrity as a strong person calling to live in peace.
     
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    Actually the Sanskrit verse which says, "Ahimsa Pamo Dharma" has been twisted by quoting only half of it by our so called founding father. The biggest cheat of this nation twisted everything to suit his agenda of serving his British masters. The actual verse is,
    Ahimsa Parmo dharma,
    Dharm himsa, taithaiva che.

    Which means, "Non violence is greatest duty, so is himsa done to uphold duty".
     
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    The OP has been in the area and knows it very well :)
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I was thinking about requesting him to reply but than decided against it. I am sure he will do so when he feels its right. But my take on it is that Chinese are probably waiting for winters to set in which will give them a perceived strong advantage in terms of better infra on their side in Aksai Chin and central sector. I will not write beyond this as some of our posts are finding reverberations in Global times articles. This forum is being watched and read and understood well in China. But let us be very clear. A direct attack by China or joint attack by Pakistan will establish India as the undisputed leader of Asia. Chinese will rue the day they decided to fund CPEC and played this game in Sikkim. Can you imagine, all this started just three weeks after India refused to join the OBOR forum in China? This is a classic case of "kahin pay nighain aur kahin pay nishana". Sun Tzu wud not even qualify to be the toilet cleaner of Chanakya if Chinese think they can smite a BJP ruled govt.
     
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    "Ahimsa parmo Dhram, But Hinsa is greater Dhram is done to protect 'Dharam'."

    Avoiding Unnecessary Hinsa is Parmo Dharam, like Muslims go on killing spree in the name of "Allah", but if we turn blind eye or avoid fighting even if you know that someone is hurting you or another person who is incapable of defending like rich & strong person fighting a poor and feeble one then it is plain cowardice.

    I go by what Lord Krishna and what Guru Gobind Singhji said weapons have to used where necessary and to be used prudently. To protect self and to protect downtrodden poor incapable people from people who are wrong and bullies and to protect Dharam. Why there is Shashtra Pooja both in Hinduism and Sikhism if only Ahimsa is Parmo Dharam?

    In present scenario when we know both Pakistan and China are trying to hit us we can't turn blind eye and sing "Ahimsa parmo Dhram", we need to resort to what they serve if they hit us hit them twice as hard and that's a bigger Dharam (to protect ourselves).
     
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    Maulana Mulayam :hitwall::hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:

    Sickular kida...........pest
     
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    And Xi Jingping will loose his face.
     

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