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Aliens/Extraterrestrials : News & Discussions

Discussion in 'Education & Research' started by Gessler, Oct 11, 2013.

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  1. Virajith

    Virajith Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    Who said that? Floating helium bags in atmosphere of a gas giant certainly are a possibility.
     
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    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    Actually you guys were discussing on Super Humanoids But does it really need to be humanoids that is a question. Floating Helium bags ?
     
  4. Skull and Bones

    Skull and Bones Doctor Death Staff Member MODERATOR

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    I was interested in silicon based life form, and what their inherent characters might be.
     
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    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    If there is anything that we would counter first if we are contacted would be autonomous bots that any physical contacts to emulate humanoid nature.
     
  6. kaku

    kaku Major Technical Analyst

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    Like Von Nummen probe.
     
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  7. kaku

    kaku Major Technical Analyst

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    Guys, what you think about the Dyson sphere.
     
  8. Manmohan Yadav

    Manmohan Yadav Brigadier STAR MEMBER

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    Even though its very fascinating
    i don't think its feasible
     
  9. neil_diablos

    neil_diablos Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    Gentlemen, following is my take.

    We all know by now that life can exist in the most extreme of conditions and that life finds a way. However, even if we consider the possibility of evolution of life ONLY on a planet in the goldilocks zone, the possibilities are endless as there are billions of star system and galaxies. In fact we have already discovered such planets, such as in the the gliese system. However we are yet to find out if these so called habitable planets do harbor life forms and if they do, the question is, do they harbor sentient life forms.

    It would extremely arrogant to think that Human beings are the only intelligent life forms in the universe but then again, Humans by nature have not been able to break free of the limbic system which is why we willingly believe that "Man is god's greatest creation" and so forth.

    Similarly, it would be arrogant to think that our ancient ancestors were not as knowledgeable as we are and that they were technologically backward. Why, just because they did not have the internet or ipods and cell phones?

    On the contrary, they were far more advanced than we are in certain respects. For instance, it will not be possible for us to build another pyramid of giza within 20 years with even the most modern tools and technology that we have. How much do we actually know about our ancestors? All that we know are mostly from religious texts, which have been altered throughout the ages and very little of the real essence and wisdom has percolated down to us. Then there is word of mouth where actual incidents may have been altered by mans fanciful imagination and turned into myths and legends and lastly, through archaeological finds which says very little and leaves most of it to our imagination and assumption.

    History and the Indian Connection


    Recent discoveries have led scientists, historians and archaelogists to believe that the Kurukshetra war did take place and evidence has been found that some type of super weapons were certainly used, such as the Brahmastra, Indrastra, pashupatastra and the likes as described in the Mahabharata.

    The Kurukshetra war did lead to widespread destruction during which valuable knowledge and texts were lost forever. Most people consider the Mahabharata an epic poem consisting mostly of myths and legends. However, if you read and read again, it will turn out to be a treasure trove of knowledge and information. In fact, so is the Bible, the Tohrah and the Book of Gilgamesh. Most intriguing part, is the depiction of Gods and Angels as beings with super abilities and powers. Therefore if you deny the existience of super humans or super natural beings as simply legendary myths then you are implying that religious books and texts are wrong, gods and angels do not exist and if you do conform with the existence of such beings then it open up a wide area of possibility.

    Whatever we see, feel and hear and perceive through our senses, the common human psyche is to try and find out whats causing the phenomenon. This curiosity is what has allowed us to progress and is a key contributing factor behind the advancement of mankind. However, instances where we have failed to find a rationale and logical reasoning behind, we have labelled it as supernatural, divine or paranormal. In fact we do it till this day. Thus my question is, why should our ancestors be an exception to that? Isn't it possible that what they perceived as divine was simply an instance or an incident that they failed to find a rationale to?

    Take this man for example: ELECTRICITY MAN HIGH VOLTAGE HUMAN CONDUCTOR FROM INDIA - YouTube
    Rajmohan Nair - The Electricity Man

    This man can stay alive and well even after several hundred volts of electricity has coursed this mans body which would otherwise be fatal to any other human being. Therefore, this man does have super human power of sorts. There are hundreds of examples of such extraordinary people across the world. People with telekinetic powers or super strength or telepathic abilities and so on. People who are built a bit differently than an average human. Now if you transport people like these to ancient times isn't it likely that the common ancient man would find a divine connection especially if such powers were used for benevolent means? Similarly, if you were to bring a common man from say a couple of hundred years back into modern times and tell him this was heaven, he would believe you readily given that he would not be able to comprehend a car or a plane or a cell phone and would find a divine connection to it.

    So why is it that difficult for us to believe that interplanetary travelers may have been depicted as gods or angels in ancient times? It is man's greatest fantasy to believe that God created man in his image because that is what we like to believe as it fuels our ego. That may not necessarily be correct.

    The Germans

    Since the mid 20s, German scientists (and not just the Nazis) started taking an uncanny interest in Indian and Tibetan texts (which is an ofshoot of Indian texts) and religious literature like never before. What was it that made them send expeditions year after year, foraying into Indian vedas and upanishads and then translating them into German, while for the rest of the world, India was just a land of myths and legends. They must have found something of intense interest and value in ancient Indian culture. Something more than just a passing interest.

    The myth of a superior aryan race may not have been a myth at all but a fact. However, Hitler went about it all wrong trying to establish racial supremacy and racial purity as the world had evolved beyond such an ideology.

    To conclude, it would not be too preposterous to believe that Humans might have had a little help from a "divine intervention" in jump starting civilization after the great flood (which curiously, finds a mention in several ancient books and not just the bible). Therefore, it would not be too preposterous either to believe that mankind had help in other aspects too. Civilization seemed to have simply blossomed overnight and all of a sudden we started building and writing and reading and started performing extraordinary feats almost overnight. Where were we and what were we doing before Sumeria (assuming sumerian civilization was the oldest as mainstream scientists believe)? Think about it!
     
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  10. kaku

    kaku Major Technical Analyst

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    Feasible? For Type 2 Civilizations?
     
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    kaku Major Technical Analyst

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    Did you take the account of Rare Earth Hypothesis and Technological singularity.
     
  12. Manmohan Yadav

    Manmohan Yadav Brigadier STAR MEMBER

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    well for a civilization to completely encompass a star
    it still seems a bit far fetched and ridiculously expensive

    but something in these lines posted below
    cannot be ruled out for a Type 2 Civilization

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    But then, how will they deal with the Cycle of Night and Day ??
    the Pic below seems to propose a solution

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  13. neil_diablos

    neil_diablos Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    Technological singularity is definitely a possible probability given the pace at which research on AI is evolving and technology in general. Given how dependent we are becoming on non biological elements, that day does not seem far when we will prove Einstein right when he said (although there is some doubt whether he actually made this statement):
    "I fear the day that technology will surpass our human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots."

    We cannot consider leaving our house without our cell phone or laptop and so on. This wasn't the case even 15 or 20 years back. This clearly proves that Technology has continued to change the way we live, the way we think and the way we work. Man certainly has grown lazy and impatient. As an example, we would rather send a quick text message or write on someones wall rather than write a letter or pick up the phone and call! Rather poetic isnt it?

    As far as Rare Earth Hypothesis is concerned, this theory concludes that it may be an improbability but not an impossibility. That leads to another argument. Taking into account the panspermean theory, was life seeded on earth from elsewhere?
     
  14. Gessler

    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    [MENTION=6253]vstol jockey[/MENTION] I want your opinion about post #4 in the first page?

    What is your general theory about aliens BTW?
     
  15. neil_diablos

    neil_diablos Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    This looks very similar to Halo, a concept from the game with the same name. This may be a possibility in the distant future but it is not necessary that you need have a star in the middle of ring world. You could face one side of the ring towards the star while the ring world itself would rotate like the earth to ensure a night and day cycle. Otherwise if you have the star in the center, it would be perpetual day.

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