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AMCA: Updates and Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by DaRk KnIght, Oct 6, 2010.

  1. DaRk KnIght

    DaRk KnIght Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    BY: IDRW NEWS NETWORK

    India’s Aeronautical Development Agency which is currently fast tracking its work on development of Tejas MK-II aircraft ,will also officially start its work on development of countries Next Generation 5th Gen fighter aircraft from mid of 2011 onwards .

    Aeronautical Development Agency which is currently developing Tejas MK-2, which will be powered by American GE F414 higher thrust (98kn) will have its first flight by 2014 and will hit production by 2016 , Aeronautical Development Agency has already studied official Air Staff Requirement (ASR) submitted by Indian Air force earlier this year and also has been working unofficially on the design of AMCA and other technology for a while now .

    Official of ADA have told idrw.org that ADA plans to have first flight of AMCA by 2018-19 time frame ,since most of the design characters of the aircraft have been already done, but the design is still kept for improvement , which means design has not been frozen yet by ADA .

    ADA had earlier has shown a wind tunnel model of AMCA in last years Aero India 2009 , a final or a close AMCA design models may be reveled in next year Aero India 2011 air show claims defence expert Rakesh sharma .

    AMCA was earlier called the Medium Combat Aircraft, and basic designs of first sketches where available in late 90′s , MCA or even AMCA is still not officially sanctioned Project by government of India ,it was mostly in house Research and Development by ADA .

    Official funding will mark the official development of the aircraft it self , AMCA is projected to have Max take off weight not exceeding 25 tones very similar to Mig-29 , with” Full Stealth” characters as requested by Indian Air Force , which will be supported by locally built active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar which will be likely spin off of AESA radar which is under development for Tejas MK-2 .

    It is likely that the Kaveri Mk-2 engine presently being developed by French Company Snecma and DRDO’s Gas Turbine Research Establishment will be used for the AMCA.but ADA will also have GE’s F-414 has back up in case Kaveri Mk-2 does not hit production by 2016 . Kaveri Mk-2 is likely to also power Tejas MK-1 when Ge F-404 engines which currently powers them will come up for engine change .

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  2. abirbec04

    abirbec04 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    This is ambiguous as the IAF requirements state clearly of thrust vectoring. 2 engines per plane with thrust vectoring points to EJ200 or its variants rather than GE F414.
     
  3. Arjun MBT

    Arjun MBT Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Well thats Interesting to Hear, So The time frame for AMCA mentioned here is 2018, Can we expect it atleast by 2020???
     
  4. Arjun MBT

    Arjun MBT Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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  5. True_Indian

    True_Indian 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    No..2025.
     
  6. flanker143

    flanker143 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    no 2025 is the proposed induction date so we can expect a prototype by 2017-18 , time frame of amca wont be similar to that of lca bcoz at that time we had to had to evolve even basic technologies and softwares for the development of modern aircraft.....
     
  7. Arjun MBT

    Arjun MBT Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Guys What I meant was the Prototype, Can we expect it by 2018?? Isnt that Too early for a Project especially for India To set a time frame just 7 Years to Work on a 5th gen Aircraft
     
  8. True_Indian

    True_Indian 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    I guess only air frame will be entirely new, radar will be from lca mk2, avionics maybe from fgfa.
     
  9. Arjun MBT

    Arjun MBT Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Well, That cannot be as simple as we speak, The design by itself Is a Major headache, And How Comfortable can U be when the Advanced Nations By Itself are taking too Long to Get a Decent 5th Gen Aircraft to fly....
     
  10. AVADI

    AVADI Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Don't expect the prototype to be ready before 2023. We all know how our defence establishments work.
     
  11. jagjitnatt

    jagjitnatt Major ELITE MEMBER

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    It will take time to get the plane ready. The first prototype will be ready by 2018 fine.
    But all those who tracked to LCA know how long it took for the first prototype to become the final machine.

    MCA won't get inducted before 2030. Period.
     
  12. True_Indian

    True_Indian 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Nooo..i won't buy that..
    more than enough time to develop kaveri (target 2018).
    experience, radar, avionics, ram coating of lca, fgfa, will be there..and i guess some changes had taken place (or will be) to make drdo more accountable.isreal and russia also may help us.
     
  13. jagjitnatt

    jagjitnatt Major ELITE MEMBER

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    Kaveri will be developed by 2018. Agreed.
    Radar? - 5th gen aircraft need more than one radar. At least 4 sensors. We are no where near to making these.
    RAM coating - no where ready
    avionics - will be done in time
    testing - will take 2-3 years

    To top it all we don't have the facilities here in India to develop a fifth generation aircraft. We need labs where we can calculate the rcs of the aircraft from every angle. Something like Motorola's Government Electronics Division in Scottsdale, Arizona.

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  14. chachachoudhary

    chachachoudhary Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    The progress of AMCA depends on how much interest and active participation air force invests right from the beginning. This will in turn depend on the performance of LCA MK-2. If air force shows willingness to induct LCA Mk-II with substantial pride and enthusiasm, then the progress of AMCA can surprise us all.
     
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  15. True_Indian

    True_Indian 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    So avionics and engine will be ready in time.
    radar - i hope lca radar and further russia and isreal can help in that. And wont tot of mrca will also come handy ?
    ram coating - again russia can help and india also learned few things in low observability materials..and further learn with fgfa.
    i hope all these will ensure timely development.
     

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