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AMCA: Updates and Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by DaRk KnIght, Oct 6, 2010.

  1. Aqwoyk

    Aqwoyk Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Uttam is mostly a standalone project with no investment from elta if Psk is to be believed, If drdo is again going the mmr way which was indian h/w with elta 2032 A-G modes then what is the purpose of Uttam. Going with current ways of doing Jvs we will never have the technology to be self reliant in engine, seekers and FCR. These things always become bottlenecks in our projects.

    Anyway I dont believe that the Uttam with present 1000 modules and basic 100km range would be used in Amca as must be equipped with 200km radar. (klj-07a 170km on bk3 ).
     
  2. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Uttam is the Indian program. Elements of the Uttam program will be combined with Elta's 2052 to make the new LCA Mk1A radar.

    Beyond that Uttam will continue its development path towards new systems.

    Elta is not paying for anything anyway, we are buying their tech.
     
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  3. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Chinese / Soviets use the Radar range against 5m^2 frontal RCS.

    While India 2m^2 frontal RCS.

    So detecting and engaging a 2m^2 frontal RCS aircraft at 120km is way better than engaging a 5M^2 aircraft at 150km.
     
  4. Aqwoyk

    Aqwoyk Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Is their any open news about Israeli involvement? I don't think they will give us source codes or A-G modes and h/w to hm bna hi lenge.
     
  5. Aqwoyk

    Aqwoyk Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Pardon my ignorance but detecting 1sqm target at 120km would automatically mean greater range for detecting a 5sqm target?
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    We can write our own software. We want hardware. Yes, there's plenty of news. Just google LCA and EL/M 2052.
     
  7. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Of course.

    If you spot a smaller object at "X" distance , you can easily spot a bigger one farther away.

    The range of radar is not a big issue , issue is the ability of radar, engaging a number of varied targets simultaneously, etc etc. And sensor fusion, and of course v.long range A2A weapons , Meteor with Rafale will be one such option.


    Su30MKI was supposed to get one from the Russians , don't know what happened.

    Coming back to radar, we are set to get AESA from Israel , France and Russia, for various platforms , personally think Uttam will have lessons learnt from all 3.
     
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  8. Aqwoyk

    Aqwoyk Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Wasn't writing A-G mode code an issue for previous MMR ?
     
  9. Agent_47

    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Bigger aircraft = Bigger frontal dia = More T/R modules = Better range
     
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    Aqwoyk Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    It all depends on DRDO's ability to absorb it and make some smart functions by devising coherence in tech gained from radars of above three countries. :azn:
     
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    Thanks, I thought that it doesn't increase linearly.
     
  12. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Everything is surmountable given enough time. The MMR has crossed a lot of hurdles to get to where it is today.
     
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    IDN TAKE: Why AMCA Will Be A Game-Changer For India

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    India's Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) Image Courtesy: Murali Yadav


    by Prajjwal-Techstar DA

    Many of us are very much frustrated with LCA Tejas project. Of course, it’s awesome aircraft but the way Indian PSUs handled it was making it disaster. Thank god that at least now it’s inducting into Indian Air-Force. Or maybe later, even in the Indian Navy.

    Several people have doubts on AMCA that it would be successful program or not. However, there are many reasons why AMCA wouldn’t suffer as much as Tejas did. As Tejas became reality on 4th of January 2001 when this date became historic in the chapters of Indian Aeronautical Industry when Tejas made its first flight. Since then, there were many problems faced by the development team for getting the thumbs-up from Indian Armed Forces. Many parts were imported because there wasn’t any local industry in India which could make these parts. For example, the engines (G.E F-104), zero-zero ejection seats (Martin Baker), actuators (Moog), Radome (Cobham), missiles (Vympel NPO), and Radar (Elta EL/M 2032) are of USA, British, USA, Russian and Israeli origin respectively

    Since India’s defence forces are rapidly gaining strength, it’s obvious that it would need plenty of defence equipments. And with new policy of Make-in-India, now several Indian Industries are getting involved in Defence sector. Like LCA’s Air-frame was totally made by HAL/NAL. But now, many private companies are getting involved. So this has created easy path for the LCA and as-well-as AMCA.

    So question comes that how much AMCA is Indian? Coming to Air-Frame, it is unofficially reported that L&T will make Air-Frame components. The same company which is going to make for LCA.Then it comes to controls which will be made by ADE which is a subsidiary of DRDO. Then comes Avionics, which will be made by DRDO’s subsidiary CVRDE. Which would be indigenously designed & developed? It would feature Indian Navigation System NAVIC. The Moog actuators will be replaced by indigenously developed actuators manufactured at HAL Nagpur assisted by MTAR Hyderabad and Godrej Mumbai. The actuators are developed by Vikram Sarabhai Space Center, ISRO and the IPR will be transferred to the consortium ( HAL, MTAR, Godrej). The fly-by-wire system in Tejas is developed by Bharat Electronics Ltd.

    Then it comes to Cockpit elements. Cockpit of AMCA is designed DARE which is the subsidiary of DRDO and will be manufactured by Indian company Samtel which is the same industry which manufactures Avionics for Su-30MKI. AMCA will also feature India 100% designed and developed AESA Radar made with GaN (Gallium Nitride). It’s head-up display as-well-as Head-up mounted display will be indigenously made-by CSIO which is subsidiary of Indian PSU CSIR, the same PSU which manufactures India’s super-computer. The Electronic warfare suite is indigenously developed by DARE and DLRL which are subsidiary of DRDO.

    Most important part is Engine and Armaments. Although configuration of Armaments are unclear, most-probability it will carry Indian weapons. Or Foreign weapons which are made-in India. The part of the Engine is still unclear. There is currently 2 options available. K9+ and K10 Engine. K9+ engine is designed and developed in India. Which would be successor of Kaveri? Second offer of K10 Engine is that the Engine will be made by Joint-Venture with any foreign country. Most probably its US Company General Electrics who is chosen.GE promised DRDO for full access to its core technology and also offered to give ToT for Engine for local manufacturing in India. But since K-9+ will take another decade to operation after so much R&D, it’s likely to be on K10. Recent visit made by Manohar Parrikar to US included the development of K-10.

    There will be total 2 Technology Demonstrators and 4 Prototypes which will have it’s first flight in January 2019.And if everything goes as-planned, it will start to induct into Indian Air-Force from 2021-22.But Naval version might take some time. Many more 3-4 years.

    Now question comes that what will be NOT Made in India?

    There are reports that DRDO will consider another option of Cockpit Display which would be a JV between HAL and Elbit of Israel. If it’s chosen then it wouldn't be totally made in India. Then the cockpit-speech recognition system will be made by Adacel which is the same company which makes same type of system for F-35.

    As you can see, AMCA is a big game changer for India cause it will ramp-up India’s defence industries to a new technological highpoint. TEJAS was a tough-call but that call will bear sweet-fruits for India's aerospace industry.

    Prajjwal is an avid Defense enthusiast and a great fan of IDN. This piece on the emerging AMCA stealth fighter was written by him exclusively for IDN. Views expressed are of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views of IDN.

    http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/12/idn-take-why-amca-will-be-game-changer.html?m=1
     
  14. lca-fan

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    HAL_AMCA_Stealth_Fighter_1.jpg

    WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Just one word sums it up.

    Wish final product is as slick as this pic.
     
  15. HariPrasad

    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Awesome, Simply awesome. Now the design has almost reached near YF 23. AMCA, LSA and FAGFA. Bloody hell of our enemy. Did anybody noticed that nose is stretched to avoid the drag issue like tejas?
     

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