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AMCA: Updates and Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by DaRk KnIght, Oct 6, 2010.

  1. Agent_47

    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    I'm confident that this info is wrong. For starters AMCA is Medium. Plus, We already have FGFA and MKI in the 30ton+ category.
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    There's nothing wrong about it. Thrust rating has been raised and internal fuel is now 6-6.5T, similar to the F-15. MTOW is near 30T now. Btw, according to the IAF, medium aircraft have MTOW up to 30T.

    You can instead divide light, medium and heavy based on thrust for new gen aircraft.

    Light = up to 120KN
    Medium = up to 250KN
    Heavy = up to 400KN

    The first AMCA version was supposed to have MTOW of 20T, with 4T of fuel and 90KN engines. Then it got raised to 25T with 100KN engines, now it's 30T with 115Kn engines.
     
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    lca-fan Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Correct. Here are example:
    Gripen (light) = GE F414 epe 115kn
    FGFA (Heavy) = item30 180kn X 2 = 360kn
     
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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    MTOW depends on both thrust and lift, not just thrust. More lift aircraft has, less thrust is needed to lift a certain weight (as long as drag can be overcome).
     
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    Wing loading is a meaningless measurement without knowing total lift bodies having.
     
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    Latest update on AMCA: Navy in, IAF puts a number and DRDO working on final design

    Navy is ready to deploy its own team to help ADA develop Naval AMCA independently customised as per Navy requirements. Indian Navy and ADA are likely to discuss funding and design feasibility this year. Naval AMCA will require hardening of the fuselage, reinforced undercarriage and new landing gear system for carrier-based operations.

    IAF puts a number Initial requirements for AMCA currently been discussed between ADA and IAF is 115-120 aircraft to replace its current fleet of 60 Mig-29UPG and 50+ Mirage-2000 when they are up for retirement post-2030. IAF is clear that AMCA will replace all Medium class Combat jet in its current fleet but it is still an initial estimate since Indian Air-force also has 120 Jaguar Strike aircraft which all will be gone by 2030, which too requires replacement but Jaguar replacement might also come in the procurement of LCA-Tejas MK2.

    http://idrw.org/latest-update-on-amca-navy-in-iaf-puts-a-number-and-drdo-working-on-final-design/
     
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    Jaguar D2 will retire way before 2030, but 3 squadrons of Jaguar D3 will remain in service till early 2030's. Thus total AMCA requirement for IAF is close to 180 or 9 squadrons.
     
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    The Rafales will hold it for the time being.
     
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    Rafale/LCA are to fill in gap made by the retirement of approximately 400 Mig21/Mig27 mix.
     
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    Here is video on AMCA from Aero India. Awesome video.
     
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    saw tooth like structure and an extended fuselage upload_2017-2-14_19-53-27.png
     
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    EXCLUSIVE: India’s 5th Gen AMCA Targets 2030
    Shiv AroorFeb 16 2017 10 30 am

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    As your correspondent reports, the first 1:1 full scale model of India’s fifth generation concept Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) is being built in Bengaluru. Later this year, the model will undergo a series of rigorous tests at an RCS facility in Hyderabad, where the programme team will have its fest chance at seeing how the shape they’ve chosen for the jet deals with radiation. The exercise will be historic. Because it will be the first time India will be specifically testing a stealth airframe.

    Cmde C.D. Balaji, chief at the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) met with Livefist at the Aero India show for a chat on the programme. ‘This will be our first big learning process. We need to be sure about the conformal antennas and shapes before we finalise the airframe,’ he says. Another very crucial application the team plans to bring into play is computational electromagnetics, to simulate in parallel how the concept jet deals with radar and other assaults built to beat stealth.

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    ‘About 60-70% of the stealth we intend will come from the aircraft’s shape. The rest we are discovering as we develop the aircraft. Nothing like this has ever been attempted before,’ Balaji says. An AMCA model debuted at Aero India 2009, the first time anyone got a sense of what the ADA was looking to build.

    The team at ADA expects full-scale engineering development till the prototype stage to take at least a decade. Livefist also learnt that the team now has a specific timeframe for a first flight: 2030, with low-rate production to begin in 2035. ‘If you consider that the LCA Mk.1 will be built till 2024 and the LCA Mk.2, when ordered, should be built between 2030-35, then 2035 is good target for production of the AMCA,’ Balaji says.

    The AMCA project could find additional backing and strength owing to persistent problems India faces from Russia over the T-50 FGFA programme. On Tuesday, Defence Minister Parrikar even admitted that there were problems that needed sorting. Earlier this year, the government took the surprising step of setting up a committee to go over the FGFA programme and actually see if India benefits at all. Negotiations have meandered over work share and how qualitatively India will even contribute to the programme other than be its largest operator. Sources on the AMCA team wouldn’t commit, but wouldn’t deny that trouble with the FGFA programme only placed greater (and welcome) pressure on the indigenous effort to deliver on time and cost — and capability.

    http://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/02/exclusive-indias-5th-gen-amca-targets-2030.html
     
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    With AMCA LRIP starting in 2035....We will have a 2 squadron strength by 2040.....

    I expect the Chinese to Induct their J-20s in 2020-2025 Timeframe....I don't think we will have the FGFA by then...

    The J-20 I guess will come in handy for the PLAAF for Undected Incursion followed by concentrated A2G campaign on strategic targets or SEAD....

    How does this timeline look members...!?
     
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    2035 and 2040

    Anybody remembers when I said that's more feasible dates..

    I am still saying.. the busing blocks of AMCA is still not accessible with most not developed in house and off the shelf procurement may face issues..

    Most important is the fact that our MIC and ecosystem cannot support a project like AMCA as of today.. need some good progress in LCA program, a MII in the form of Rafale, the Su30 upgrade to get new tech and FGFA program to first hand understand the perils of a 5th gen bird...

    Till such time, every timeline said is aggressive only..
     
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