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AMCA: Updates and Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by DaRk KnIght, Oct 6, 2010.

  1. Agent_47

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    AERO INDIA: New Delhi continues work on stealthy AMCA

    • 17 FEBRUARY, 2017
    • SOURCE: FLIGHTGLOBAL.COM
    • BY: GREG WALDRON
    • BANGALORE


    India is forging ahead with its most challenging fighter programme, the development of its low-observable Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).

    Director of New Delhi’s Aeronautic Development Agency C.D. Balaji says that the great majority of work for the shape of the AMCA has been completed.

    The biggest challenge involves the development of Radar Absorbent Material (RAM).

    He alluded to New Delhi’s challenges in the area of radar cross section (RCS) reduction in comments about the collapse of the 2012 deal to buy 126 Dassault Rafale fighters.


    There were several issues that caused the Rafale deal to collapse, he says, but he specifically pointed to France’s unwillingness to part with a proprietary RAM that is applied to the Rafale’s canopy. Had the deal moved forward, Rafales completed in India would have been sent to France to receive the coating.

    Other low-observable features in the AMCA will be S-shaped engine intake ducts, which help hide the engine from enemy radars, and canted twin tails.

    For what ADA calls “stealth mode,” AMCA will carry a mix of four munitions, either bombs or missiles, in an internal bay. For “non-stealth mode” the jet will have fuselage hard points, as well as three additional hardpoints on each wing. The two inboard hardpoints will be able to carry external fuel tanks.

    The engine has not been determined, but is likely to be either the General Electric F414, which powers the Boeing F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet, or the Eurojet EJ200, which powers the Eurofighter Typhoon.

    At the 2015 iteration of Aero India, an ADA official told FlightGlobal that an advanced version of a local engine, the Gas Turbine Research Establishment Kaveri, could eventually be used in AMCA.

    AMCA, as planned, will be capable of super cruise (Mach 1+ speeds without afterburner) and have an active electronically scanned array radar.

    Balaji says that once the engine is determined, it will take three or four more years to develop the aircraft.

    Prior to the show, Balaji told FlightGlobal that a first flight for the AMCA is planned for 2025. This marks a notable retreat from the ADA’s position in 2013, when a first flight was expected by the end of the decade.

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...w-delhi-continues-work-on-stealthy-am-434300/
     
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    @Picdelamirand-oil whether France agreed to share ram coating? Whether it's included in that 16 critical technology?
     
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    Probably The Most Significant Take-Away From Aero India 2017
    Shiv Aroor|Feb 20 2017 12 41 pm

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    Take a moment to look at the image above. Savour it. This was one among hundreds of posters plastered everywhere at the recently concluded Aero India show. And yet, in it lies what is possibly the most meaningful indicators from India’s indigenous efforts in military aviation. We’ll get to the specifics in a bit. First, some background.

    A few days ago, Livefist’s big update on India’s fifth generation AMCA programme brought the spotlight back on the concept fighter, amidst reports of trouble in Indo-Russian talks to resolve the stalemate plaguing the proposed joint Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA). On the latter front, things have reached a stage where some abrupt and spectacular suggestions have been made by Rostec, the Russian state holding company, including that the FGFA has nothing to do with the under-flight-test T-50/PAK FA (will be a totally separate fighter), and that Russia will be partnering with India on the AMCA. To be sure, there are several tech partnership suitors for the AMCA, and Russia happens for the moment to be only one of them.

    Livefist’s update on the AMCA drew a huge amount of interest (and readership), unsurprising given it is one of two most ambitious active aviation efforts in the country — the other being the related Ghatak stealth UCAV. But while we were looking through the huge number of images we captured at the just concluded Aero India 2017 show, we chanced upon the above slide that we found tucked away in a corner of the small Defence Avionice Research Establishment (DARE) stall in the DRDO pavilion.

    While we’ve reported extensively on the AMCA’s intended stealth characteristics, including serpentine intakes and internal weapons bays, the slide you see here is, in Livefist’s view, the most significant and revealing set of details on the deep research being done in what is by far the most challenging part of the AMCA’s design: active phased array technology. This comprises the spread of separate sensor elements embedded across the AMCA’s airframe in a way that consolidates overall stealth and lowers all aspects of the aircraft’s final signature, while making use of that very spread to provide a heightened degree of sensor coverage and domain awareness to the pilot. (Think of the spread like a dashboard camera that’s actually a network of cameras situated all around the car, providing the driver with a wide sweep view of what’s happening around the vehicle).

    Antenna elements as part of the phased array spread will come up for their first torture test with the full scale AMCA mock-up soon in Hyderabad. And getting it right is non-negotiable, especially since this is technology no company or country will conceivably share.

    The 16 element linear and 32 element planar array will either segue smoothly into the functionality of stealth or stick out sorely and make the AMCA significantly more visible across electromagnetic spectra. In other words, it isn’t just how well these little elements work separately, but how they work together — and above all, how well they are housed in the body of the aircraft so they don’t interfere with stealth.

    ‘Make of break technology’ in the words of a DARE scientist who spoke on condition of anonymity to Livefist. Antenna architecture, overall computational electrodynamics and the true integration of these elements with an airframe design that’s still in flux means there’s huge pressure to get it right. Indeed, this is research that could have spin-offs for the LCA Mk.2 programme as well.

    While the AMCA is still in a design stage and awaiting sanction as a full-blown project, the slide you see here is affirmation that the most significant elements that will potentially make the AMCA a true fifth generation machine are deep in the works. This is research that will imbue the performance of India’s Ghatak UCAV too, considering the large amount of basic technological R&D feeding jointly into both programmes (as Livefist reported to you earlier, the AMCA and Ghatak are actually a joint lead-in project).

    Tech partnerships on the AMCA will likely involve offsets-driven sensor packages and broad consultancies in the post-design phase, including flight test and airborne empirical studies new to India since this will be the country’s first stealth aircraft built at home. What those partnerships won’t include are the driving forces that compel the very stealth that the AMCA hopes to sport. The road ahead is a very long, hard one. But the slide above also establishes that there’s clarity of approach in at least the most crucial aspects of India’s most ambitious military aviation venture.
     
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    ^

    2025 is described as the Project completion date, with first fighter 2019. Seems like my prediction about AMCA flying <2020 are coming true.

    MK1A production ends at 2026.

    This would at least explain why they are not opting for a second line of Tejas. IAF intends to transition directly into AMCA with Kaveri engines per Safran venture. 57 carrier fighters still needed, since AMCA won't be ready in that time frame. Strategic Partnership model would be selected from current MII MMRCA, between Boeing/Dassault, who will act as primary consulting partner.

    Who wants to bet that the 2 F414 engines recently delivered are for AMCA prototype and not Mk2?
     
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    AMCA engines have not been chosen yet.
     
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    India's AMCA 5th Gen Stealth Fighter Project could be completed in 2019
    Thursday, February 23, 2017
    By: The Strategic Times

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    We recently contacted our source in HAL who is working with AMCA project, and we asked him about the comments made by ADA Chief recently about the timeline. He said that 2025 is the timeline given which is correct but what our “so-called’ journalists forgot to mention was that 2025 was not initial year but actually was the deadline given by MoD to ADA to make AMCA operational within the force. Though he said that AMCA’s Naval variant won’t come before 2025 (prototype). But the main AMCA variant which is meant for Air-Force is definitely coming in 2019 as a prototype for it’s first flight.

    ADA modified the designs of AMCA which is the final design stage.

    Now ADA-HAL is making 1:1 Model of AMCA for various tests related to stealthiness which would happen before the end of this year. This test will be the final procedure of AMCA before building it’s prototype which would start from 2018.

    We also tried to get status of all component’s development and we succeeded. Here’s the update of AMCA’s component’s current status:

    No.~ Item ~ Status~ Since~ ETA
    1~ Design ~ Done~ 2008 ~ ~2017
    2 ~Stealth ~ Done~ 2010 ~ ~ 2017
    3 ~Composites ~Ongoing~ 2010 ~2017
    4 ~Control ~Ongoing~ 2015 ~2018
    5 ~Engine ~Ongoing~ 2017 ~2020
    6 ~Avionics ~Ongoing~ 2013 ~2018
    7 ~Equipment ~Ongoing~ 2013 ~2018
    8 ~Radar ~Ongoing~ 2015 ~2019+
    9 ~Sensors ~Ongoing~ 2015 ~2018
    10 ~Cockpit ~Ongoing~ 2013-14 ~2018
    11 ~EW & EC ~Ongoing~ 2013-14 ~2018

    http://www.defencenews.in/article/I...ter-Project-could-be-completed-in-2019-250646

    Going by this article Prototype will be out by 2019 and AMCA to be inducted into the service by 2025. I say this is very good news if indeed they achieve it.

    RaNGA khush hua:chilli::chilli::chilli:
     
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    MK1 FOC.....MK1A.....MK2.....AMCA....

    2017..........2019.........2021........2025...
    :computer1::computer1::computer1::computer1:

    :fighting1::fighting1::fighting1::fighting1::fighting1::fighting1:

    Lets take 1 step at a time.
     
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    More the merrier. :cheers::cheers::BVICTORY::BVICTORY:

    If they can deliver why not?:dance3:
     
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    They don't have to be chosen, technically if the design caters to have the GF F414 as a drop in fit, so issues then 2 F414 INS6s are delivered already and another 6 coming within the year. They'll have 8 engines readily available, 2 can easily fit on the AMCA. If the design is frozen, it is entirely possible to have a prototype in a couple of years.
     
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    accroding to this source's timeline , engine timeline is 2017 to 2020 ....and first flight is around 2019 ....i dont understand this logic
     
  14. Gessler

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    LOL.

    Thanks for the laugh.

    I'll smash all my toes one by one with a hammer if this happens, and live broadcast it on Youtube.
     
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    The 2020 flight was for a FSED start in 2013, with LSPs in 2025.

    But now, FSED is yet to start. 2025 for first flight is the new date.
     

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