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AMCA: Updates and Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by DaRk KnIght, Oct 6, 2010.

  1. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    That's the crucial part!
     
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    Pundrick Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    BS!!
    Most of the "Scientists" in DRDO are only there to earn monthly salary and half of them are non-deserving reserved category employees. There are two reasons for this sad condition of DRDO :
    1). Govt control in recruitment system.
    2). Non-recognition of the work done by some of the bright minds, along with under paid salary.

    Yes, funding is definitely one of the obstacles in some of the projects but by looking at the amount spent in developing LCA, I am quite sure that FM is not responsible for the LCA debacle and some of the key projects.
     
  3. sunny6611

    sunny6611 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    no not under funded !

    time wasting is the problem + lack of communication between depts./ PSUs. + 1 upmanship + stop all jobs not done by himself ie if i have recommended a job my boss finds a way to stop or delays it till it becomes useless.

    take shaktiman trucks ............. where r they now ?
     
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    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    They are not underfunded.
     
  5. lca-fan

    lca-fan Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    They are the biggest problem Why India is suffering.
     
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  6. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Prototypes won't be available any time soon, since the project is only in it's conceptional stage and aimed for around 2030. So still much time, which is needed to fix the design and set the performance requirements. Hopefully with a foreign partner as a consultant and with of the shelf techs like the engine, to not delay things.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    From ADA annual report, AMCA simulator plans:

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  8. Pundrick

    Pundrick Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    The Photoshop and PPT making groups are the most efficient group in DRDO labs. They are always delivering on time.
     
  9. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    :mrgreen:
     
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  10. SR-91

    SR-91 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    It's not the people, it's the system. It's the management that's responsible to get the best of people. ....................................... Ask yourself, why is ISRO so successful???
     
  11. lca-fan

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    With Both FGFA and AMCA failing to take off, India’s 5th Gen Fighter Projects looks rudderless
    Published July 13, 2017 SOURCE: ABHOY ROY / FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG

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    Six months ago, Modi Government appointed a three-star officer to look into different aspects of the multi-billion dollar fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) programme to co-develop a stealth fighter with Russia, since then nothing much has been confirmed or denied about it by government officials in the media nor discussed in recently concluded Modi’s visit to Russia . FGFA programme was first contacted in 2010 and preliminary design stage was completed in 2013 after spending Rs 1,500 crore but even after seven years project has not made any headway’s while Current Government is preparing to hand out a 100 fighter jet deal to American Companies to dump their 40-year-old F-16s in India. Former IAF chief Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha speaking to the media some time back had said that all will come down to affordability and according to experts FGFA project due to $4-billion research and development (R&D) cost and guaranteed orders for 120 + jets with the same level of Transfer of Technology will make this jets more expensive than Dassault Rafale breaching 120$ Million Dollar per Unit barrier. Present administration seems to have developed Cold feet in finding the money required for the investment in the development of FGFA project and chances are that this might be Second Indo-Russian Military project which might be shelved by this Government after MTA Transporter Co-development Project was dropped earlier this year. The situation of India’s Indeingeiuos Proposed 5th Generation fighter jet proposal too looks shaky, since Government is yet to clear and provide full-scale sanction of the funding required for the project to commence at full scale, While Government has cleared initial funds it is also clear that amount sanctioned for the Design Bureau Team is too little to even start development of core technologies required for 5th generation fighter jet program. While India is yet to even select a partner to develop a suitable power plant for the AMCA fighter jet, there are clear indications that the project is unlikely to take off very soon, rendering Aeronautical Development Agency which is the nodal agency for the design & development of AMCA pretty much jobless. Development of upgraded Tejas MK-1A will be a totally internal job which will be carried out by HAL and Tejas MK-2 Project is still unclear even though the first aircraft will have its flight by 2021-22. Both FGFA and AMCA seems to have been stuck under Red Tape of Bureaucracy of the present government which still has part-time Defence Minister which is holding up the clearance to many key crucial projects like development of Next Generation aircraft carriers and fighter aircraft, which is still waiting for final clearance from the PMO and Defence ministry. Pakistan on the other hand already has declared it will be acquiring 5th generation fighter jets soon and there is a high possibility that Chinese J-31 might be co-developed with Pakistan or Pakistan might accept Turkey’s co-development offer on their TAI TFX 5th generation fighter jet proposal and might be first to introduce 5th generation fighter jet in the region. Many experts fear that F-16 deal will soon lead to F-35 deal with Lockheed Martin and AMCA project might face the brunt of this decision like LCA-Tejas Project faced due to strong Import lobby in India. lack of support coming for AMCA Project in Private Defence Sector also suggest Private Sector are more interested in the quick buck with no R&D investment to make their foray in defence sector in India. With Prices of F-35A all set to fall under 80 Million dollar per Unit post-2020 and with available Amercian ecosystem in India, thanks to F-16s production it might be matter of time before India falls for Marketing gimmick of American companies in disguise of promoting “Assemble in India ” rather than ” Make Indian product in India ” .

    idrw.org .Read more at India No 1 Defence News Website http://idrw.org/with-both-fgfa-and-...ighter-projects-looks-rudderless/#more-141324 .
     
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  12. sunny6611

    sunny6611 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    i believe that ISRO is the only public sector which is doing good.
    all others desperately need help to restructure each & every thing in their organisation.
     
  13. SR-91

    SR-91 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    If a company fails to produce, it because the management didn't do a good job, fault CANNOT passed on to it's working people.
    It's the fucking management that allowed it's workforce to work in a RELAXING environment, without ANY accountability. Now, if this trend continues for days, months and years then you get a failure, like the one at DRDO.

    PSU's management must be held accountable.
     
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  14. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    The problem is , a person working in a R&D project in something like L&T will have to deliver at all costs for his "job security ". Very unlike the culture of DPSU.

    The second problem is there are way too many people than required in paper work, management, etc and way too few than required in actual R&D projects .
     
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  15. lca-fan

    lca-fan Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    These are all reservation quota chaap employees. And actual R&D is done by non quota employee which are few in numbers.
     

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