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AMCA: Updates and Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by DaRk KnIght, Oct 6, 2010.

  1. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    F-15C is a lot closer.
    Empty weight = 13T
    Fuel load = 6.1T
    Total thrust = 210KN

    AMCA
    Empty weight = 12T
    Fuel load = 6.5T
    Total thrust = 220KN

    SH
    Empty weight = 14.5T
    Fuel load = 6.8T
    Total thrust = 200KN

    The engine may be similar in size, but the thrust rating is much higher.
     
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  2. MilSpec

    MilSpec Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    LOL, you know where I will go with this.
    Same Engine, same volumetric air delivery, same blah blah ...

    If anything let one fly first, no point in discussing specs of a paper plane.
     
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  3. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    The engine is the same only for the TDs. The jet will have new engines.
     
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    sunstersun Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    If you were designing the plane and you had to water down some specs to keep costs affordable what would you cut?
     
  5. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    - 1 heavy class engine, instead of 2 medium class once
    - no TVC
    - less flight performance
    - stealth

    So basically similar to the F35, but then again a stealth fighter is difficult to make in a cost-effective way.
     
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  6. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    If we want to keep costs affordable, we will change the delivery schedule or payment terms and/or cut numbers. Capability will not be watered down.
     
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    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Why the load carrying figures are pathetic?
     
  8. HariPrasad

    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Go for EJ 230. It is by and large meet the performance requirement of AMCA air force. By the time it comes, EJ 230 might have improved its performance by 10% and that should meet all the requirements AMCA.
     
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  9. Pundrick

    Pundrick Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Is AMCA being developed in isolation ? Heard from my friend that HAL has simply no idea of the developments regarding AMCA and nothing has been shared by DRDO with them, plus when my friend went to one of exhibitions there was some ADE person saying that they have ordered few 1:1 parts for a TD. Lets hope they get the TD asap.

    Can't confirm the authenticity of source.
     
  10. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    HAL is just the production agency for LCA, or possibly AMCA. The aircrafts however are developed by ADA, which also have the program itself under their control. That's sadly the biggest problem, because ADA as a design agency has proven to have no clue about efficient project management. So I wouldn't be too surprised if they are not involved in the project yet and why I would want then to offer MoD a counter design on their own. MoD then can choose the one, that shows more prospect.
     
  11. Shekhar Singh

    Shekhar Singh 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    IAF not in favour of acquiring Russian 5th gen jets, keen on DRDO’s AMCA
    Published September 2, 2017 SOURCE: INDIA TODAY
    It seems that the Indian Air Force (IAF) is not in favour of acquiring the 127 fifth-generation fighter aircraft from Russia due to the “very high cost” involved in the project. It in turn wants to back a DRDO Make in India project – which it is planning to develop a similar plane called Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA). It is learnt that IAF’s views on the aircraft programme have been conveyed to the defence ministry even as a government panel has expressed its views in favour of the programme. “The Air Force has its reservations on the programme mainly on three points. First, the project cost is too high and way beyond what it had expected. The learning curve is not there as the project is already at an advanced stage and the stealth technology of the planes is not as advanced as that of the other similar planes,” senior government sources told Mail Today. MAINTENANCE COST VERY HIGH: IAF The maintenance cost of the planes is also expected to be very high and similar to that of the Sukhoi-30 planes whose maintenance and upkeep has been quite demanding in their around 20 years in the force, they said. The Russians were developing the aircraft known as PAKFA on their side as a counter to the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightening, which are considered the latest combat planes with stealth technologies and abilities to strike farther than their older counterparts. “The cost of the FGFA progarmme is coming to be huge. While we have already spent close to $300 million (Rs 2,000 crore) on the preliminary design phase, the Russians are demanding $6.7 billion (Rs 44,800 crore) as the development cost of the planes which is coming to be much higher than what we had perceived,” the sources revealed. AIR MARSHAL SAYS OTHERWISE “The Russians are asking us to make big investments in the programme. While we are planning to induct only 12 of these planes in their IAF, they are asking India to buy 127 of these aircraft,” added the sources. Sources said the investment of $6.7 billion (Rs 44,800 crore) would give India only four prototypes of the FGFA aircraft and it will have to pay another $135 million (Rs 900 crore) each for the 127 planes, which would be ready for induction only after 2027-28. The cost per aircraft at the time of delivery in 2027-28, due to high inflation in defence deals, would come around $250 million bringing the total project value to around $32 billion (Rs 2 lakh crore), sources also said. Air Marshal S Varthman committee has recommended that the IAF should go ahead to coproduce the planes with Russia and the Defence ministry has to decide on it taking into account both the viewpoints.

    idrw.org .Read more at India No 1 Defence News Website http://idrw.org/iaf-not-in-favour-o...th-gen-jets-keen-on-drdos-amca/#disqus_thread .
     
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  12. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Well IDRW again, so we have to take it with caution.
    :rolleyes2:
     
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    X_Killer Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Another speculated article on IDRW with more mistakes.
     
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  14. shaktimaan

    shaktimaan Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    it is India today report....everything except for my take is copy paste
     
  15. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Yes, but that doesn't make the content any better. It's not only the obvious false figure of fighters we want, but also the speculated cost of maintenance (I even expect it to be higher than MKI) and the concern over it, as if IAF didn't knew about it 10 yeas ago, when they started the negotiations to be part of the FGFA development.
    The fact is, Russia knows how low our fighter development capabilities are and they know even better, that we have no knowledge about 5th gen capabilities either. So they simply are in the far better position to negotiate and make demands.
    Same goes for F35, which is not even on offer as it seems, without us buying US 4th gen fighters first.
    Add the increasing threat of Chinese 5th gen fighters, drones and bombers and you see in what kind of bad position we are.
     
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