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AMCA: Updates and Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by DaRk KnIght, Oct 6, 2010.

  1. LonewolfSandeep

    LonewolfSandeep Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Had earlier too shared how to distinguish between paid/genuine article.
    http://indiandefence.com/threads/su...-generation-aircraft.851/page-316#post-589119

    The only named source in article is saying go for FGFA, what that tell you?
    Next they say "Humanity" says not to go for FGFA, its just a vague term who in Humanity said just like who in IAF said, fictitious character/clerk/trainee who?

    Besides figures are all wrong - from what has been shared by official sources.
    Its a propaganda articles - for dummies & raise nationalist discourse by trickery.
     
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  2. Shekhar Singh

    Shekhar Singh FULL MEMBER

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    Hmmmm, I thought India Today is reliable source. It's no more reputed immediately after today.
     
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  3. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Nothing wrong in posting the article, since posting news or infos is vital for the forum!
    But from experience we know, that articles from IDRW (even if the initial source is a different one), must be taken with caution.
    Even usually reliable sources, sometimes release bad articles. At the end of the day the content and the sources, the author use to Base his report on, are the most important parts.
     
  4. Grevion

    Grevion Think Tank TROLL ELITE MEMBER

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    My takes from IDRW should be banned. Other then that they just repost the stuff from other news sources.
     
  5. bharathp

    bharathp Developers Guild Developers -IT and R&D

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    they are not very reliable.. its actually a good exercise to go through their posts and figure out how to disprove them. provides a good exercise on dealing with lies and false news else where.
     
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  6. zebra7

    zebra7 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    For AMCA, if we are serious to make it a reality something around 2030+ we have to give a big serious Kick start the project, with clear and focused approach and thinking, with constant funds, irrespective of the govt. leadership, taking all the experience and lessons from the LCA Project.

    Some thoughts from my side

    1. AMCA Naval should be developed first and then Airforce version.
    2. We should seriously start thinking of partnership to take this project as Joint Project, and two of them could be Japan OR Israel of which Japan would be the Best candidate, since it have funds, Industrial Base, Turbofan technology, AESA, Optical/IR tech, Precision manufacturing tech, Material Science -- Which could be very useful. Even though, Japan have own 5th Gen program, but that is not going to materalized due to US, which will pitch her own F-35, but its various companies would be interested in investing in Indian project.
    3. LCA MK2 project should be continued, which would be our base to test various technology for the AMCA.
    4. Last but not the Least rather THREE Word only --- INDIGENOUS TURBOFAN ENGINE.
     
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  7. sunstersun

    sunstersun Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    UK has already signed up with Japan to jointly develop a stealth fighter jet.

    I wouldn't be too certain of the X-2 failing, USA heavily propped up Japan's F-2 program. Also they have the assembly line for the F-35, which is pretty valuable experience.
     
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    F-2 is the customized version of F-16, done as a joint venture with the LM. LM beniefited by getting various technologies developed for the F-2 including the Composite developed for it.

    I have only proposed, that India should try to figure out the partnership from the Japanese Companies, because though we had always good relationship with the Japan, but we have left the time behind, when the Japanese was opposing India, due to its Nuclear ambitious and it has started opening herself from imports in Defense Sectors. No point of discussing UK involvement, since it is also involved in the Turkish program, as well as Joint development of its so called 6th Gen UAVs with France, but no way its close to the AMCA project projected order, from the IAF and INaF if ever it get materalized.

    For the AMCA, the big hurdle is the Money/Budget itself, since with the Super Sukhoi upgrade, LCA, Rafale, Awaacs, Tankers and various other replacement and upgradation plans, the money left would be close to zero. What could be started is with the LCA MK2 project -- e.g IRST, Optronics, Sensors, Electronics,Radars, Jammers, etc and the China and its threat, faced by both Japan and India, could bring both countries together coupled with the Huge market, where Japanese could take a good chunk such as 100 Smart cities project, Water Management, Metro Rail, High Speed Train project, Chabhar Port development etc.
     
  9. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    There is a difference in a consulting parnership and a development partnership. UK is only a development partner in the F35 program and has it's national requirement for fighters focused of EF and F35s only. The replacement of EF is not planned yet and they even might end up as a partner in the new EU fighter project.
    Anything else be it the Japanese or Turkish projects, are only consultancy work for their industry (BAE, RR).
    Similarly, we can get consultancy partners for the AMCA project (and thankfully even ADA is suggesting to get such foreign help), but to get another country to be part in the projet with an own requirement is hardly workable.
     
  10. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Like it is hardly workable for all EU projects.
     
  11. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Right, Tornado, EF, NH90, Iris-T, Meteor are not examples for joint projects. :mrgreen:
    Indias problem is, that we want more participation in a joint project, that's why we still have issues with the Russians, or why we might not simply join the S. Koreans, or even the Japanese, if we had a participation on offer. On the other hand, there is hardly any country that has a requirement and the funds to join our project, not to mention than not many countries would join us anyway.
     
  12. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Tornado, EF, NH 90 are failure. Meteor is bilateral only, Iris-T, I don't know to comment.
     
  13. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    In your opinion, but that's all.
     
  14. zebra7

    zebra7 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Ask the German
     
  15. sunstersun

    sunstersun Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    eh objectively the Eurofighter hasn't really been succesful. In most competitions the Rafale has scored consistently higher.

    Hell, the Danish ranked the SH a carrier plane over the EF. Korea scored the Strike Eagle over the EF.

    And of course India chose Rafale > Typhoon
     
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