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AMCA: Updates and Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by DaRk KnIght, Oct 6, 2010.

  1. X_Killer

    X_Killer Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Last allocation of funds was of Rs.231cr. out of which some share of amount is already invested in fabrication of full scale model of AMCA, which will be completed in coming months and will be ready for ground based Stealth tests and studies.
    Further decisions will be taken after these critical studies..
     
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    Pundrick Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Be pessimistic, be very pessimistic, whenever you are following Indian fighter jet programs. Govt won't release funds this early bcoz they know how the so called scientists(non-meritorious) of DRDO works.


    ADA is probably the worst lab in the world which is involved in designing 5th gen jet, they don't have the resources neither willingness, they only want the funds flowing in their department so that the lethargic fat babus could fill their coffers.
    This morons took 5 years to make only 7 wind-tunnel model for testing and finalizing the design i.e. only wind-tunnel model. Now they are saying that they'll shift the process and will develop 1:1 model rather.
    Its been now 7 years since the decision to produce 5th gen FJ has been taken and our ADA has got only a wind-tunnel design to offer, which shows that being optimistic about ADA's R&D capability will lead to depression.
     
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    Anish BANNED BANNED

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    IAF strategy to back a DRDO-ADA-HAL AMCA over FGFA(Su-57) is sheer genius

    1. HAL is deprived of opportunity to assemble FGFA and a major order is lost.

    2. DRDO-ADA divert resources from the half dead Tejas experiment into AMCA. All parties know full well neither AMCA nor Tejas will be successful

    3. Both FGFA and AMCA get cancelled

    4. HAL and ADA both get shut down by Modi.

    5. F-35 and new French-German 5th gen aircraft are imported as usual and assembled by Indian private sector

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    IAF is outsmarting everyone here

    If somehow Parrikar can become Defence minister again the tejas cancellation can be accelerated
     
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    zebra7 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Lol AMCA till now is the ADA child, with no requirement given by any user.
     
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    zebra7 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Blah blah blah .. wait reality if going to vbe different
     
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    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    When FSED phase is sanctioned, they will announce it to the whole world.
     
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    Darshan gohel IDF NewBie

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    someone plz ban this anish false flagger guy trying to decide policy of india
    hate such fan boys
     
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    Sahil ecclstone FULL MEMBER

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    Tht post.......... It was somewhere between a shell shoch and an eye opener
     
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    SR-91 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    GoI should take their time with AMCA. Focus should be on bringing tech from rafale n fgfa into AMCA. for that to happen GOI needs to finalize those deals on fast track basis.
     
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    X_Killer Captain FULL MEMBER

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    "We" ??
    you mean BD or pakistani?
     
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    X_Killer Captain FULL MEMBER

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    No Development will go through until the Stealth tests on full scale model become successful...

    Developers needs to fastrack the Development of airframe and will perform taxi trials & fight test with available technologies. We can incorporate further technologies later...
     
  12. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Actually we need to go another step back, because we have to make it better than in the LCA programme.

    1. Leave pride out of it and make rational decisions, with getting the fighter ready asap as the prime criteria

    2. Find a suitable industrial partner for the design and development. There is no way we can do it alone, after all the problems in design in our conventional aviation projects. We need help and there is no shame in admitting that from the start, to get a successful programme at the end

    3. Select a suitable engine either off the shelf, or in a joint development

    4. Follow the Dhruv approach, by replacing foreign parts over time, instead of aiming at too amitious goals from the start

    5. Develop AMCA as a naval fighter first and take an offshoot for IAF. We can get land based 5th gen fighters from other sources if needed, while we would make ourselves too dependent on the US, if we don't have an indigenous carrier fighter.
    Besides, the NLCA approach should have made it clear, that it's far more difficult to re-design a land based fighter, another lessons we have to include for the future plans.


    When all this is done, we can talk about design, prototypes or taxi runs. Otherwise we only run into the next programme ridden with problems and delays.
     
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  13. X_Killer

    X_Killer Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Agree
    ADA always resist for program partner but they don't shy in getting help in pieces.. we can do it alone but need proper dedication, committed decisions and a lot of time which is no possible.
    We can fly it by available/easily available engine. And we can replace it with more suitable one later. Isn't it?
    Agreed, this is what I want from developers..
    Improvement is non-stop process, we can improve it in future blocks or using upgrades.
    Agreed, I already stated the same months ago that developing a land based fighter from a naval fighter is quite easier task than its opposite process.
     
  14. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Just like DRDO, when they already messed up things, they cry for help, which costs us another millions to fix the problems. So don't repeat the same mistakes and get experienced partners from the start!

    No, because there is no engine available yet, that has the required 110 to 115kN. So we already need either an upgraded or jointly developed one, which is why that should have priority from the start!

    Sadly ADA doesn't agree and still follow the LCA/NLCA route.

    I would add also...

    6. Leave project management to the production agency (be it HAL or a private company) and limit ADA to design only.
     
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    X_Killer Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Agreed

    We can fly an underpowered AMCA which can be improved later with KAVERI k9+ or k10 or any other program because first flight is not possible in less than 4-5 years. Most probably Safranized Kaveri (uprated) will be available by that time.
    Waiting for the desired engine will also hit the timeline. Even the gap between taxi trials and first flight will not be less than a year.

    Need some serious discussion within all engaged agencies.

    Agreed
     

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