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Anti-EU Sentiment Thread

Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by BMD, May 21, 2016.

  1. BMD

    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    @randomradio, @IndiranChandiran, @Picard, @Dagger, @Sancho

    Here is apparently some of the post-2020 funding that the EU believes we should pay. You be the judge.

    https://ec.europa.eu/europeaid/projects-results_en

    STORIES
     
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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    A-ok...

    Yeah, that is really gonna work well... :facepalm:

    Not gonna comment on others, but I pray to God that EU falls apart soon...
     
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    Dagger 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Good causes. :biggthumpup:
    But , I have read reports that the majority of the money is used to pay "consultants" for their expert advice by these aid groups. Basically means the EU taxpayer thinks he is sending money to ingrates, the aid receiving country gets a minor amount. The consultants scam the rest. For aid they should prolly rely on unpaid volunteers and their philanthropy.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...-consultants-are-a-waste-of-public-money.html

    http://www.thegwpf.com/consultants-take-billions-from-foreign-aid-budget/

    And a lot of money just dumped in trust funds and not spent, with bad oversight.

    http://www.theweek.co.uk/79874/uk-accused-of-dumping-billions-from-foreign-aid-budget
     
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    You beat me to it !@Dagger.:D
    You see , Padraig , we aren't as poorly informed as you thought .It's basically how the UK or EU ensures what comes out of the right pocket goes into the left .At least most of it does .
     
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    This is a responsibility of rich nations.
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Giving money to Pakistan and other Muslims? The money would be better spent as toilet paper.
     
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    I wonder , Padraig , how come there is shame and guilt associated with anti semitic comments ( at least you try to shame people ) when directed at Jews but none when it comes to Muslims given that Islam has semitic origins too.Could you shed some light on this display of embarrassing behaviour from your end ?
     
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    Because:

    1) The 9/11 report was heavily redacted, pretty much everywhere where it mentioned Saudi Arabia.

    2) Bin Laden just happened to be holed up in some compound in Pakistan.

    3) They had riots in Pakistan after he was killed.

    There was nothing anti-anything, I just don't believe in wasting money.
     
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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    Anti-semitism is associated with ethnicity. Ethnicity is not something you choose, it is something you are born into, so generalizing any ethnicity is idiotic. But islam is an ideology, moreover it is primarily a political ideology rather than a religion - its nature is much closer to Nazism than to, say, Christianity or Buddhism. And both political ideology and religion are a personal choice. Not that there is much of a choice when you're gonna be murdered for leaving islam, but because there is a choice - in theory - then there is automatically less shame associated with it. Further, ideology - and Islam especially - shapes person's way of thinking in ways that ethnicity cannot. One really can become more stupid by being a devout Muslim, thanks to Islam's inherent irrationalism and anti-scientific stance, whereas you don't become more stupid by being an Indian, Croatian - or Pakistani, for that matter - nationalist.
     
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    Were the Jews pilloried merely for their ethnicity or for their deeds - both imagined and real , or both , given that early Christians , ex Jews themselves held the Jews and the Pharisees responsible for the crucifixion ?
     
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    But , would the pain for the act you associate with the Saudis be assuaged if instead of the Saudis or bin laden , lets say the Iraqis were involved in 9/11 or if say Bin Laden were a Palestinean instead of a Saudi .

    After all , the US did wage a brutal campaign against the Iraqis in the Gulf War - 1, imposing crippling sanctions post war , which affected the Iraqi population more than anything or anybody .

    Besides , I don't need to add on the reams and reams of newsprint on the vital role played by the US in sustaining the Jewish state , thereby aiding their aims in suppressing the Palestineans .


    http://www.salon.com/2016/05/11/col...ght_who_defended_deaths_of_500000_iraqi_kids/
     
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    Being a Jew is still an ethnicity, even if it is associated with religion in many ways, which makes it a rather special case. Jews were pilloried because of their deeds, or at least that was the justification, but considering that one became a Jew by birth, attacking later generations of Jews for it was rather stupid (especially considering that Jesus' students were Jews as well - they did not stop being Jews by becoming Christians, and if it weren't for St.Paul, then Christianity would have remained exclusively Jewish religion). But this is a special case, as noted already, and not comparable to religions/ideologies not associated with ethnicities.
     
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    It's extremely doubtful whether one can associate a Jew with ethnicity rather than a religion .In any case , once the Jews were in the diaspora , they certainly ceased belonging to a single ethnic group over time and were certainly identified and persecuted for their religious beliefs .

    That they happened to thrive in businesses related to finance added to the hatred they engendered in the ordinary populace .

    After all its well known that during depression era Weimar Germany , the wealthy among the Jews was disproportional as compared to various denominations of Christians .A good deal of these Jews also made their fortunes in the black market for essential and non essential commodities .Although , they certainly didn't hold a monopoly over such racketeering , they did come into the public eye which mixed ancient prejudices with contemporary ones and the ascent of a rabid ideology of a political group to power sealed their fate.

    But anti semitism didn't begin with the Nazis .The very reformist impulses which guided Martin Luther 's messianic mission was informed with the same rabid anti semitism made infamous by the Nazis.

    Btw - I didnt intend my post to read as German bashing .I was merely citing an analogy. After all anti semitism is more of a western construct( and therefore not an exclusive German construct ) than anything .

    Islam doesn't have any such illusions about the Jews .Neither did the Prophet nor the Koran.While they may be considered people of the book by the Prophet , he himself shared an extremely problematic relationship with them.
     
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    Your hold on Jewish theology is tenous .One doesn't know what St Paul preached .But the concept of the Holy Trinity in Christianity is certainly at variance with the Jewish concept of divinity .

    There's no way Christianity would be accepted as a sub sect of Jews with or without St Paul.
     
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    I think we have now nailed you as an Islamist apologist here now.
     

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