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Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by BMD, May 21, 2016.

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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-close-ports-ships-carrying-rescued-migrants/

    Italy threatens to close its ports to ships carrying rescued migrants, saying it can no longer cope

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    A Libyan coast guardsman stands on a boat during the rescue of 147 migrants attempting to reach Europe off the coastal town of Zawiyah, 45 kilometres west of the capital Tripoli, on June 27, 2017. CREDIT: AFP
    29 JUNE 2017 • 5:40PM


    The EU has appealed to Italy not to make good on a threat to close its ports to boats carrying migrants rescued in the Mediterranean.

    More than 73,000 asylum seekers have been rescued off the coast of Libya and brought to Italy this year, on top of the 181,000 who arrived last year, and Rome’s patience is running out.

    The vast majority are economic migrants, with Nigerians and Bangladeshi the most numerous nationalities, followed by people from Guinea, Ivory Coast, Gambia and Senegal.

    In the space of just 48 hours this week, 10,000 were pulled from leaking rubber dinghies and decrepit wooden boats and safely transported to Sicily and other parts of southern Italy.

    Paolo Gentiloni, the prime minister, says the situation is no longer sustainable unless Italy receives a lot more help from the rest of the EU.

    Italy is “a country under pressure, and we ask the help of our European allies," he said on Thursday at a press conference in Berlin.

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    Migrants wait to disembark from the Spanish ship 'Rio Segura' in the harbour of Salerno, Italy, Thursday, June 29, 2017 CREDIT: AP
    The government said on Wednesday that unless the burden is shared more equitably, it would consider blocking foreign NGOs from disembarking migrants at its ports. A host of humanitarian groups are rescuing migrants in the Mediterranean, including Spanish, French and German organisations.


    Italy has mooted the idea of some of the migrants being unloaded in ports in other Mediterranean nations, such as Spain and France – a proposal that would likely prove politically toxic for those countries’ governments.

    "Politically, the situation is not good for Italy. If the arrival figures keep on rising, Rome will be in trouble," an EU diplomat told Reuters. "But there are no easy solutions. I don't think others would be happy to accept these vessels in their ports."

    In response to the Italian threat, the EU on Thursday pledged more financial support and urged Italy not to act hastily.

    "We support and we understand Italy's concern and we support their call for a change in the situation," said Natasha Bertaud, European Commission spokeswoman. "But what we're also saying is that any change in policy should first be discussed with other member states, and also properly communicated to the NGOs who are running these boats so that they have time to prepare."

    Under EU rules, a migrant must apply for asylum in the country in which he or she first arrives, placing an enormous burden on Italy to house and feed the migrants while they wait for their applications to be processed.

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    An Italian police officer stands as migrants wait in line after they disembarked from the Spanish Guardia Civil Rio Segura patrol ship with 1,216 migrants on board including 256 children and 11 pregnant women, who were rescued in the Mediterranean sea on June 29, 2017, in the port of Salerno. CREDIT: AFP
    The number of arrivals so far this year is up by 14 per cent compared with the same period last year and the Italians fear the total could reach more than 220,000 by December.


    With migrant reception centres full to bursting and many asylum seekers living rough in Italy’s major cities, the country’s patience with Europe is wearing thin.

    In local elections this week, the ruling Democratic Party, which has been broadly welcoming to migrants, took a pasting, while centre-Right parties towing a harder line triumphed.

    “The government must block the boats that are heading towards Italy and ask the EU to redirect them to other ports in the Mediterranean,” said Renato Brunetta, a senior figure in the centre-Right Forza Italia party of Silvio Berlusconi.

    “We are facing an invasion by foreigners,” said Maurizio Gasparri, another Right-wing politician.

    Antonio Tajani, the president of the European Parliament, said: “A cry of alarm has come from Italy, an SOS…we can't leave it on its own. After the closure of the Balkan route, it is indispensable to also close the central Mediterranean one. We can't have any more delays in solving the problem".

    http://abcnews.go.com/International...u-support-amid-wave-migrant-arrivals-48328178

    Italy threatens to close ports to NGO migrant rescue ships
     
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    The problem with closing ports is that the ships need to dock somewhere; if not in Italy, then in France,Spain, Portugal, Greece, or UK :D . Italy could not close its port as no one would be willing to take that ship in, thus creating a crisis.

    It should stop these ships from embarking itself ,by declaring migrant pick-up operations as human trafficking, rather than try half arsed ban-aid measures.
     
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    Or maybe back in Libya.

    It should seize these NGO ships whilst they are still empty.
     
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    What Merkel thinks of her own country.

     
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    Libya would not take them in. These ships never enter Libyan territorial waters and pick migrants from 12Nm and beyond. They are responsibility of Italian/EU government, rather than Libyan government (in whichever form it exist).

    Asset seizure ,by declaring ferrying migrants across Mediterranean as human trafficking, is only viable solution. The only problem that Italy/EU would face here is that they would not be able to justify such classification in ECJ, because 1.5 years ago, coast guard of Italy was doing the same, and also according to maritime law, a ship has to respond to a vessel in distress at sea. These NGO ships could simply pretend that they were in the area when distress call came in, and thus are bound by maritime law to pick up migrants.
     
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    Send them back to Libya on remote-piloted dinghies.

    Who cares whether they can justify it in the ECJ, the EU/ECJ needs to be bent back into the framework of reality.
     
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    Everyone else around her was waving it.

    Maybe she preferred the red, white and black one. Yes, that was trolling.
     
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    Court of law take precedence into account, and treaties have status of laws. Even Italian courts ,let alone ECJ, would rule in favor of migrant ferries.

    Here:

    (1) Precedence is in favor of migrant ferrying NGOs. A year ago, Italian coast guard was doing same thing as these NGOs: Picking up migrants just 12NM off Libya's coast. Now Italy could not argue that migrant ferries are in violation of law.

    (2) Maritime laws compel a vessel to respond to a distress call. Ships of migrant ferrying NGOs ,even if their goal is demographic change of Europe, are only following international law. They need to park their ships close to Libyan territorial water and pick up migrants from just outside Libyan water by responding to distress call of dinghies.
     
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    Looks like some laws need to be changed. Migrant ferries can kiss my ass. Shoot them in the water.
     
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