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Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by BMD, May 21, 2016.

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    Attempt = failed. :taz:

    Anyway,let's go back to the topic.
     
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    Franco-German alliance RISING: Merkron plot 'BIGGEST armament plan imaginable' in Europe
    THE rebirth of the Franco-German power base has been cemented as it was revealed France and Germany will together build a next generation fighter dubbed “the biggest armament project imaginable in Europe”.
    By REBECCA PERRING
    PUBLISHED: 06:36, Wed, Jul 19, 2017 | UPDATED: 08:12, Wed, Jul 19, 2017

    The shock announcement of a joint defence programme between Angela Merkel andEmmanuel Macron marks the shifting of tectonic plates of power within the bloc, with the two countries re-emerging as the driving force of the European Union (EU).

    The move has been described as “a twofold rejection: of the US and the United Kingdom” as Germany and France attempt to reassert their authority over Britain in the wake of Brexit.

    A report by the the German Council on Foreign Relations said the programme to build the aircraft, which would succeed the Dassault Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon, signals a “truly autonomous defence industry in Europe”.

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    Merkel and Macron are emerging as dominant powers in the EU

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    The programme has been described as a rejection of the US and UK
    It asserts Franco-German leadership in the EU and underlines the willingness of both countries to make progress in European defence

    It reads: “It asserts Franco-German leadership in the EU and underlines the willingness of both countries to make progress in European defence.

    “Germany and France are preserving the chance of building a truly autonomous defence industry in Europe, which would otherwise depend increasingly on US arms. European autonomy is thus getting one step closer.

    “With this decision, Macron and Merkel underline that they consider themselves pioneers by initiating a step change.

    “By announcing the joint fighter jet project, they have given a European defence policy, which so far consisted of loose declarations of intent, tangible (industrial) credibility.

    “And they are offering a concrete project that others can join. After getting this off the ground, Berlin and Paris can rightfully expect that other countries shake up their national restraints and either participate or even Europeanise their own projects.”

    France and Germany aim to come up with a roadmap by mid 2018 for jointly leading development of the new aircraft to replace their existing fleets of rival warplanes, according to a document issued after a Franco-German cabinet meeting in Paris.

    The move reflects efforts to give fresh impetus to Franco-German relations in the aftermath of Britain's decision to leave the Brussels club and was described by defence experts as a snub to Europe's leading military power.

    It also signals the end of a decades-long split since France withdrew from the Eurofighter project in the 1980s to produce its Rafale warplane with Dassault Aviation.

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    The aircraft signals the end of a decades-long split
    The report entitled “A Revolution for Europe’s Defence Industry” also takes aim at Britain’s momentous Leave vote and US President Donald Trump, by hinting that Europe is slowly building its defence programme in response.

    It said: “Trump’s positions on NATO and London’s anti-EU rhetoric have led to an immense loss of trust of the continental Europeans in their allies, which is proving to be the driver for a once unimaginable cooperation in the defence sector.

    “Launching this new project Paris is also turning down London. The UK is unlikely to take part in one of the most important European projects of the next decades, even though London considers itself as the traditionally predominant military power in Europe and as France’s privileged partner.”

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    The report says the UK will not participate in the defence programme
    Despite admitting “in industrial-technical terms, British participation would be possible”, the report says British participation is “unthinkable”.

    It added: “Paris and Berlin have consciously designed and framed this project as an European commitment, pursuing a key European goal as trailblazers and thus sending a strong signal for more cooperation in Europe instead of exclusively bilateral approaches.

    “For a UK leaving the EU, precisely because of too much European cooperation, there is no place.”

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...any-EU-new-fighter-aircraft-defence-programme
     
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    A deficit of £6.8bn is only 0.34% of GDP.
     
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    For one month. For 12 months it is 4.1% and it will continue to deteriorate.
     
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    Not really, it's inline with last year's deficit of 3% or £60bn once you factor in 3 Akbar attacks in June and a mass Akbar immolation.
     
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    8.9% of one quarter of 3% of GDP is 0.06475% of GDP, which is roughly the same as the quantity of cash we give the EU, NI and Scotland each for free and about three quarters of what we spend in foreign aid. Meanwhile our GDP has grown by 2% since Q1 2016, so if the deficit only grew by 0.06475% of GDP, or 0.267% drawn out over a full year, as a percentage of GDP it shrank by 1.7%..... and you call that a story?:no: What you're looking at is pro-EU cry-baby newspapers trying to make out that something is wrong when it isn't. Our deficit is falling faster than France's and our debt is lower and our economy is growing at a faster annual rate.

    https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/government-budget
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    In other news the FTSE is up 25% since the start of June 2016.

    http://www.londonstockexchange.com/...ndices/summary/summary-indices.html?index=UKX
     
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    Clearly,the UK has been unable to bring down its debt and deficit under the 3% of the GDP,despite years of massive cuts and austerity.

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    France to Britain: ‘We want our money back’

    http://www.politico.eu/article/france-to-britain-we-want-our-money-back/

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    What money back? We've been giving £11bn net every year. What would happen if Poland left, would the EU have to pay them 100bn Euros? Because that's the logic they're using.

    Give us our £500bn back.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/78...on-since-joining-1973-David-Davis-Theresa-May

    "We want our money back," implies you actually gave us money in the first place rather than the other way round.
     
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    To put this in simple terms you can understand, France was originally a member of the Eurofighter project. If after they left, the other 4 members had asked them to continue paying for the project, what would France's response have been? Because ours is the same.

    Furthermore:

    http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/th.../title-6-final-provisions/137-article-50.html

    The money we pay each year is part of the Treaty, we are leaving the Treaty, therefore the money stops.

    https://treaties.un.org/doc/publication/unts/volume 1155/volume-1155-i-18232-english.pdf

     

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