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    I wonder how they are going to justify to candidates that brilliantly passed all the tests that they're not going to be selected because they have to meet some "minority quotas".
     
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    They're not, they'll just get HR to come up with some frivolous bollocks about them failing to meet certain interpersonal skills, or say that the standard of applicants was very high that year, and wish them lots of look with their future career, whilst at the same time setting up special courses to teach their new recruits how to read and write.
     
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    2019 / Brexit: Towards the reintegration of the new UK into a new Europe
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    Our loyal readers will not have been surprised by the result of Theresa May’s early election. Not only had we put in perspective a defeat of Theresa May, despite the favourable outcome given to her by the polls; but, from Greece to the United Kingdom, we keep repeating that there is no exit from Europe, only some redefinition shocks… for better or for worse.

    If the Greek crisis proved the need to change Europe, the Brexit opened the possibility for it. For a year or so it was difficult to know what salad dressing we were going to get: would it be the British mint sauce (taking us to a new alliance of nations) or the mustard sauce of the mainland (upholding the Unionist principles, but regaining control of the institutions in one way or another).

    It is not the second British vote that represents the game-changer, but (as mentioned last month) the triple Austrian-Dutch-French vote marking the loyalty of the continentals to the principles of community destiny… It is true that the continentals, unlike the islanders, know atavistically that European wars always take place “at home”.

    But the continental democratic expression marks the failure of the mint-sauce and leaves the UK on the roadside, watching the bus pass by. And the new priority of the United Kingdom suddenly becomes “How to reconnect with a continent which has not followed us … without losing face … and by saving our own union?”

    The early election of Theresa May serves these purposes, we will see how – even if the UK now has to face the greed of the financial circles, who are dreaming of a hard-Brexit to recover most of the City’s European activities[1].

    But if everyone plays smart, this new priority can lead the continent to a positive first step of reinvention:

    . by the top, namely allowing the integration of Iceland, Norway and Lichtenstein into a renewed Community framework,

    . and, hopefully, by the bottom, namely by following guidelines democratically validated by European citizens.

    An early election under the form of a 2nd EU referendum

    On June 8, the British elected a new Parliament where a Common’s majority escaped from Prime Minister Theresa May and her Conservative Party. In order to form a government with an absolute majority, it would need 10 more votes, which she must seek in a hazardous coalition with the Unionist Party of Northern Ireland (DUP). The DUP programme is far from unanimous within the Tory party: ultra-conservative, anti-abortion, homophobic, against any Irish referendum, …which defends at the same time an ultra-liberal line. It is also opposed to the establishment of any customs control between the two Irelands, which is incompatible with a hard-Brexit as supported by Theresa May, which on the contrary implies such facilities[2]. Hazardous also because, in the new configuration of the British Parliament, the Conservatories are the only ones defending a hard-Brexit. All the other parties are in favour of the “soft” Brexit.

    We can only point out that those results call into question the very process of Brexit, if not the Brexit itself. Quite simply because the collapse of Theresa May in the polls during the short election campaign is of course much less the so-called “blunders” committed by the Prime Minister than that of an acceptance by the British people of this election as a second referendum.

    But how did Theresa May get there? Last April, convinced on the basis of very favourable opinion polls, Theresa May had embarked on the reconquest of “Westminster”[3] in order to control all the political forces of the country within the Brexit negotiations. This was reinforced very early in May by local elections, which crowned the Tory party, including ousting UKIP and sweeping away the claims of the Labour Party under the leftist leadership of Jeremy Corbyn[4]; A bet which the British polls gave winner by granting her between 48% and 50% of intentions of vote[5].

    Theresa May’s strategy was multiple:

    – to strengthen her parliamentary majority to move forward on a hard Brexit which she considered in line with British opinion as expressed in the referendum last June and with the expected domino effect on the continent side; but very difficult to implement against a British Parliament that was mostly opposed to this line. At that point, she was just calling voters to join her in bringing a stronger voice around the negotiating table with Brussels on a project whose first letter she did not even master; this was not enough to succeed;

    – to ensure that during the negotiations, which run until May 2019, nothing would challenge her leadership, by blocking the road to the rising pressure of Labour and especially Jeremy Corbyn. If the Labour Party did not take advantage of the local elections early May, but that showed only 30% electoral participation, and certainly paid for the two attacks on the eve of the elections, Theresa May forgot that she was not only the Brexit Minister, but also the ruler of a country whose austerity weighs on its citizens;

    – to put a stop to the centripetal inclinations of regions like Scotland or Northern Ireland. On the latter point, if the centripetal forces in question do not date from the June 2016 referendum, they have nevertheless been greatly reinforced by Brexit. We should emphasize that Scotland, in particular, had largely rejected Brexit and considered resorting to a new referendum for its independence. Moreover, in January 2017, when the British Supreme Court had compelled the government to consult Parliament on the use of Article 50, in the same judgment it had denied the regional assemblies any “right of veto over the decision of the UK to leave the EU “(judgment of 24/01/2017)[6], thus reinforcing the secessionist wishes.

    Stop the centripetal forces within the UK’s Union

    As for the last point, it is interesting to note that the elections result is valid despite this strategy, bringing a halt to the independence movements in Britain: particularly in Scotland.

    From this point of view at least, the results are pretty clear:

    – a blow to the Scottish independence party, the big loser of this electoral consultation: it lost 21 seats[7]! Alex Salmon the Scottish Independence champion is not even re-elected and Nicola Sturgeon is in a delicate position with regard to the leadership of the party[8]. In view of the results, it is not even conceivable to move on to a new Scottish referendum project.

    – the situation is similar in Northern Ireland, where the independence party lost all its seats to Sinn Fein, but it is the DUP union which leads and should ally with the Tories to form the next government together with Theresa May[9]‘s conservative party.

    – As for Wales, it is Labour that comes out largely as winners, which distances any secessionist policy whatsoever[10].

    We discussed in a previous issue of the necessary reinvention of the principles of cooperation within the British Union with the aim of strengthening them, the same way it should imperatively happen on the European Union’s side. It seems that we are at the heart of this priority: after the elections of June 8th, we may wonder whether the English, Scottish, Northern Irish and Welsh regions still have a vocation – as well as an interest – to defend independence claims in the reconfiguration of the parliamentary and national forces. Instead, should their interest not be to play the card of the community of interests between them and with the central power, instead of opposing the latter, whose representatives are the only ones entitled to be at the negotiating table? In this way, they would associate themselves with the process, a lobbying policy very dear to the British, making sure that the way thus opened eventually leads to a bearable Brexit; especially since the other consequence of these elections is to challenge the line of negotiations for a “hard” Brexit as previously defended by Theresa May.

    Stop the assertions of the “hard-liners”[11]

    The other positive result of this election for Theresa May is that it allows it to justify a change of negotiation line, moving from a hard-Brexit project to a soft-Brexit, henceforth adapted to the vital goal for the UK to avoid being marginalised in relation to a continent that has not followed their path.

    The great Brexit defender, the UKIP, is completely out, not even bouncing back with a single seat with its 1.8% of votes. This surprising result, just one year after its resounding referendum victory, underscores the pernicious role played by this party, which can be questioned whether it was not used to campaign for Brexit, something which part of the Tories, including Theresa May[12], had not dared to do. Once Brexit was acquired, this cumbersome “partner” was purely and simply sucked out by the extreme right wing of the Tories – a slide towards the extreme right which will have caused lost voices to their left wing, or to the profit of smaller parties, including the DUP in Northern Ireland.

    As seen earlier, all the political factions represented in the British Parliament defend a soft Brexit line: Labour (262 seats), SNP (35), LibDems (12), Sinn Fein (7 seats, which it will not occupy, in protest), the Greens (1), the left-wing party of Wales[13] (4 seats) and even to a certain extent the DUP (10), although the DUP are anti-European they would not bear the consequences of a “hard” Brexit on the free movement between the two Irelands.

    Within the Conservative Party, the negotiations lines are also divided. If the party stood behind Theresa May in defending a hard line, a whole part of the centre-right of her party, who had campaigned for the Remain, including George Osborne (Theresa May is a “dead woman walking”[14]), or her director of cabinet, Gavin Barwell (« concerns among Remain-supporters over the Tory approach to leaving the European Union »)[15], call today to return to a soft-Brexit[16] or even Theresa May’s resignation.

    In the opposition, Nicolas Sturgeon, leader of the SNP, calls for a common front of the opposition parties to demand the stop of the Brexit negotiations[17], and the Lib-Dems are even ready to organise a second referendum (it was a campaign promise, by the way[18]). And negotiations for a soft-Brexit have already begun between Labour and the British government[19]

    Read more in the GEAB 116

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    [1] On June 13 the Vice-President of the European Commission, Valdis Dombrovskis, unveiled the EC’s plan to discuss the euro clearing houses’ situation, which soon could relocate London’s business towards the EU. Source: Euractiv, 13/06/2017.
    [2] Source: The Guardian, 11/06/2017.
    [3] Telling her the country is following her. Source: BBC, 18/04/2017.
    [4] Note the participation rates of those different electoral dates: 72% for the June 2016 referendum; down to 36% for the locals of May 2017, and up again to 68,73% in June 2017. Sources: BBC, 24/06/2016 and Le Monde, 06/05/2017.
    [5] Source: L’Opinion, 12/06/2017.
    [6] Source: Le Monde, 24/01/2017.
    [7] It went from 54 to 35 seats out of 59 in the current parliament. Source: Wikipedia.
    [8] Source: The Telegraph, 09/06/2017.
    [9] Source: The Belfast Telegraph, 09/06/2017.
    [10] Source: BBC, 09/06/2017.
    [11] ‘Hard Brexit is off the table’. Source: The Local, 09/06/2017.
    [12] We have written it already, we suspect Theresa May being a hidden UKIP member – Read the previous bulletins.
    [13] Source: Wikipedia.
    [14] Source: Guardian, 11/06/2017.
    [15] Source: Evening Standard, 12/06/2017.
    [16] See Ruth Davidson, Tory elected in Scotland « Says Theresa May Should ‘Look Again’ At Brexit Plan After Election Defeat ». Source: Huffington Post, 10/06/2017.
    [17] « The Scottish First Minister suggested a UK-wide consensus should be adopted for talks to allow the devolved governments a greater say on the terms of the country’s departure from the EU ». Source : Evening Standard, 12/06/2017.
    [18] Source: BBC, 26/05/2017.
    [19] Source: RTL.be, 13/07/2017.
     
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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/italy-impounds-german-ngo-migrant-rescue-boat-141707309.html

    If you consider the French, Austrian and Dutch versions of the BNP almost winning an election, a vote in favour of the EU, you must be high.

    Whereas in the UK election, despite winning less seats than previously due to the spread of the vote, the Conservatives won 5.5% more of a bigger voting turnout. So no, nothing has changed. And even the opposition party that won the other seats wants to leave the EU.
     
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    http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...s-popular-Efta-neighbours-China-eurobarometer

    What Norway & Switzerland REALLY think of EU: Shock poll reveals REAL opinion on Brussels

    The bombshell survey shows that fewer than half of voters in Norway and Switzerland - two countries seen as potential models for Brexit Britain - see the bloc in a positive light.

    According to the Eurobarometer results just 43 to 46 per cent of Norwegians and Swiss view the EU positively despite the fact they are the two countries with the closest ties to the bloc.
     
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    @BMD The Conservatives you love so much have cut ten of thousands of officers,closed number of Police stations while unarmed bobbies have to deal with skyrocketing knife crimes,moped attacks and acid attacks. Don't worry about Mrs May,she's protected 24/7 by armed guards. :laugh:

    While Brexiters were focused on Europeans,they probably forgot that there's much worse awaiting them. :laugh:
     
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    Incorrect, crime is down since 2010.

    https://fullfact.org/crime/crime-under-conservatives/

    Is crime up under the Conservatives?
    In brief

    Claim
    Reported crime is rising under the Conservatives.

    Conclusion
    Crimes recorded by the police have been rising since 2014, but that's partly down to changes in recording practices. Crime in England and Wales is falling over the long term according to the more reliable Crime Survey.

    "Reported crime is rising under the Tories… almost every police force in the country recorded an increase in crime over the last year.”

    Labour party press release, 2 May 2017

    We can’t be sure about what’s happened to crime over the past year but it looks like certain kinds of crime might have risen. That said, crime generally has been falling for the past few decades.

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    Police figures rising; survey figures static
    There are two main measures of crime in England and Wales: the Crime Survey and police recorded crime. Labour has specified crimes recorded by the police—shown in the coloured bars on the chart above. Police recorded crime has risen 9% in the past year and has been trending upward since 2014.

    But just because the numbers are going up doesn’t mean that crime is doing the same in reality.

    There are longstanding problems with these statistics, which have in the past tended to tell us more about police recording practices than about trends in crime. They’re “not currently considered a reliable measure of trends in crime for most crime types”, according to official statisticians.

    That said, experts say at least some of the recent rises are likely to be genuine.

    The Office for National Statistics says that while the overall 9% bump is probably down to changes in how crimes are recorded, the recorded increases in homicide (hard to miscount), knife crime, and theft offences at least partly reflect a genuine rise in criminal activity.

    And Professor Marian Fitzgerald of the University of Kent told the BBC recently that "any rises that we are seeing now are genuine. Improvements [to police recording practices] stabilised a long time ago".

    But the headline measure of crime is still the Crime Survey for England and Wales. This involves asking people if they’ve been the victim of a crime, whether or not they reported it to the police. It’s not perfect or comprehensive either, but it picks up many more crimes than are actually reported to the police.

    Crime has been falling for more than two decades according to the Crime Survey. In the past year the figures are basically static.

    The Crime Survey is best for long-term trends. It’s “less reliable for providing an indication of emerging trends” because of the time lag between when people are surveyed and the publication of the results. So if the police numbers are telling us about a genuine rise in criminality, that may not feed through to the Crime Survey for a little while.

    In addition, the headline Crime Survey results (as seen in the red line of the chart above) don’t include cyber crime. The survey only recently began asking people about their experience of crime online, so it’s too early to look at trends in this data, although other sources suggest that cases of fraud and computer misuse may be rising.

    So it’s possible that we’ll see a rise in crime according to the Crime Survey in the years to come.

    Even if so, the big picture is that crime is much lower than it was in the 1980s and 1990s—as is the case in many developed countries.
     
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    There are however 5,000 EU criminals currently residing in UK prisons, costing us over £0.5bn/year.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/659620/Britain-prison-huge-rise-EU-convicts-150million-taxpayer

    "The claim comes as shocking figures reveal a 240 per cent rise in EU convicts filing our jails at the cost to the taxpayer of £150million. Meanwhile, prisons in eastern Europe are experiencing a drop in their inmate populations.

    Just days ago a landmark European Court of Justice ruling barred member states from sending prisoners back to their EU countries to finish their prison terms if their human rights are threatened there.

    The ruling prevented Germany extraditing suspected criminals to their homes in Romania and Hungary because of fears their fundamental human rights would be at risk by the condition of the prisons.



    Of the 10,500 foreigners in British jails last year, nearly half – 4,600 – are citizens of other EU countries.

    Figures from the Grassroots Out campaign show that the number of EU nationals in prison in England and Wales rose by more than 240 per cent between 2002 and 2014, from 1,763 in 2002 to 4,252 in 2014. The number of Poles in UK jails stood at 867, up 2,000 per cent from 2002.

    Britain is clearly becoming the EU’s Alcatraz

    Paul Nutall, Ukip deputy leader

    Romanians numbered 614, up by more than 1,200 per cent, and Lithuanians 542, up by more than 1,000 per cent.

    In their countries, however, prison numbers have fallen even more dramatically than UK numbers have risen, with Romania enjoying a 3,882 drop in prisoner figures since it joined the EU. Latvia’s prison numbers have fallen by 3,092 while Poland’s have decreased by 2,997.

    In 2013, EU nationals in UK prisons cost the taxpayer more than £147million. Polish prisoners cost the British taxpayer more than £30million, Romanians more than £22million and Lithuanians £17million."



    Gotta love the ECJ, we can't send criminals back home because their rights might be breached in prisons there. So why the **** did you allow them into the EU if their countries are that damn bad? The increase since 2014 is due to reporting changes and certain ne'er do well nations who were allowed into the EU.

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    Crime in England and Wales suffers largest annual rise in a decade

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/20/crime-england-wales-suffers-largest-annual-rise-decade/

    There are also British criminals all over Europe. Killers,paedophiles,thieves....

    Briton gets 30 years for French jogger's murder

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    A police vehicle arriving on April 27th at the Nîmes court house before the trial of British national Robert Plant. Photo: Sylvain Thomas/AFP

    A British man was sentenced to 30 years in prison by a French court on Friday for the horrific 2013 murder of a young mother out jogging.
    The court in the southern city of Nîmes also ruled that 36-year-old Robert Plant should not be eligible for parole for 20 years.

    Plant was formally charged in 2013 for the murder of 34-year-old Jouda Zammit, whose partially clothed body was found on January 24 of that year. She went missing after going jogging.

    Her throat had been slit and her body and face disfigured with stones and a cutter.

    Plant lived with his mother just yards from where the woman's body was found.

    Nimes prosecutor Stephane Bertrand had sought a life term for Plant, dismissing arguments that he "had lost contact with reality" on the day of the murder.

    Plant had been described by neighbours as "peaceful" but Bertrand described him as a "pervert" and "not a madman" who had "committed a particularly brutal crime."

    The victim had three children who are now aged 14, 11 and seven.

    https://www.thelocal.fr/20170429/briton-gets-30-years-for-french-joggers-murder
     
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    Check the numbers out in my post. Most ex-pat criminals are Romanians and you can't deport them because their country is such a shithole that the ECJ feels sending them back to a Romanian prison would breach their human rights.

    France has more ex-pat criminals than the UK, 941 vs 786.

    And like I proved above, crime is down since 2010. Sharpest rise does not mean there's more crime than in 2010, just that it has risen more sharply.

    https://fullfact.org/crime/crime-under-conservatives/

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    As regards the rise since 2014, that's EU policies in action again.

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/e...hin_the_eu/freedom_of_movement_in_the_eu.html

    The population of Romania is 30% of that of the UK, yet Romanian ex-pat convicts are 1,465% that of the UK. Sorry but facts are facts, they're criminals.

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