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Anti-EU Sentiment Thread

Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by BMD, May 21, 2016.

  1. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    Even we have rehabilitation programs for Kashmiri terrorists.

    http://mha.nic.in/sites/upload_files/mha/files/pdf/JK-RehabilitationPolicy.pdf
    The objective of this Rehabilitation Policy is to offer facility to those terrorists who undergo a change of heart and eschew the path of violence and who also accept the integrity of India and Indian Constitution to encourage them join the mainstream and lead a normal life and contribute towards prosperity and progress of the State as well as the Nation.

    But Norwegians don't understand that these terrorists are not "criminals" that require rehabilitation. As far as they are concerned, they are not committing "crimes". In the case of rehabilitation of Kashmiris, the policy comes with caveats and they are being integrated into their own Islamic societies under the guidance of moderate Islamic elders. But in the case of Norway, these people are being integrated into societies they have already determined to be their enemy. You can't rehabilitate hardcore Nazis among Jews. At best, they will stay quiet until the time comes to make noise.
     
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    Yup. Logic be damned when you believe you are better than others. Your society is not alien to ours. It's in fact the same as ours. I already pointed out how we have a rehabilitation program as you do. But you act as though you have evolved on a different planet. You need to calm down and think rationally, it's a trait that's been in decline in the west.

    You claim ISIS are criminals, but they don't think the same. But they believe being in the Norwegian Army/NATO is criminal. So would you think you are a criminal in their society?

    You need a basic course in psychology to understand how the criminal mind behaves. You can rehabilitate people who have committed crimes and who know they have committed crimes. Not people who sincerely believe they have not committed a crime in the first place.

    Would you consider you need rehabilitation just because you were in a NATO military? Yeah, you are treating the ISIS terrorists that way. You speak as though you will happily integrate in Saudi Arabia as an "ex-criminal" if they give you a house and a low paying job. :lol:

    PS: Even we believe in rehabilitation of terrorists groups that are operating within India, like the Naxals. That's why we don't sic the army on them.
    http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/502-...-rehabilitated-maharashtra-government-1227925

    So, no, you haven't created a magic society where other people don't understand you. Get off that moral high horse.
     
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  3. Vergennes

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    Of course we have different mentalities and ways to see things,but it would irritate me to see a criminal living and being re-habilitated in luxury prisons like in Norway (even though there are strict rules and regulations) rather than paying harshly for his crime and living in poor crappy conditions. I want to see prisoners being punished first,and maybe then being rehabilitated.

    I must agree though some prisons in mainland France are total sh*tholes and that it's a bit too much sometimes.

    This leads regularely to mutinies or hostage takings of guards. Not so long ago,three inmates,one armed with a knife held a guard hostage in an Alsacian prison. Actually,for taking as hostage a state official,they face up to 30 years more in prison,many have absolutely nothing to loose.

    I'll take the US as exemple,as much as the prison conditions might be harsh,the jails remain very well organized and clean. (At least from what I've seen).
     
  4. Picard

    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    With Western European liberals, nothing is unbelievable any more... problem here is that they do not believe that their ideology is actually ideology, and so fail to accept that other ideologies exist. In this particular case, rehabilitation for criminals is actually a good idea, but they fail to understand that terrorists are not common criminals, especially islamic terrorists. They have completely different way of thinking, the only way of dealing with them is execution, lifetime incarceration, incineration or a mental hospital...

    Unfortunately, quite sure. And frankly, I've realized that reality can be wierder than any parody... nothing surprises me any more.
     
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  5. randomradio

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    Bro, the Indians in America are the least integrated country group even though they are all moderate and highly educated. So I have no idea how one can integrate a group that carries hate within them.

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    How you can integrate radicals of a community if you don't have the same community to absorb the shock first?

    Integration and de-radicalization are two entirely different subjects. You can integrate, even if partially, only after you de-radicalize first.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-27/france-deradicalization-jihadists-total-fiasco

    I really hope whatever they are doing works out, but if it doesn't, it will be countries like France and India that will have to bear the burden of this circus.
     
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  6. Vergennes

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    The "deradicalization" center has been closed,it was deemed as "non conclusive" by the new Home Minister and a total waste of taxpayer money. Not to add misuse of funds and rogue associations taking advantage of the "deradicalization business" to get some public fundings.

    In fact,people left this center even more radicalized than when they arrived. :crazy:

    Let's not be fooled,you can't put them back on the right path,they are already lost.
     
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  7. randomradio

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    The bigger problem is if you give these terrorists home and hearth in a European country, they will have free access to active anti-terrorist countries like France through porous borders anyway, but also free visa access to countries like India.

    They will recruit and raise funds in perpetual safety while carrying out terrorist attacks elsewhere.
     
  8. Picard

    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    You can't. Western Europe is finding that out, but they don't want to admit it.

    Happy Independence day, BTW.
     
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    You will have to find a way to deal with it now, or one day they will have become citizens of one or the other country in Europe and will be free to travel across the world.

    Thanks.
     
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    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/macr...uropean-tour-bulgaria-075847549--finance.html

    Row escalates between France, Poland over EU labor reforms

    VARNA, Bulgaria (AP) — A bitter exchange of words erupted between France and Poland on Friday after French President Emmanuel Macron sharply criticized Poland's opposition to plans to change European Union rules on "posted workers" — the cheap labor from eastern countries sent to more prosperous EU nations.

    On a trip Friday to Bulgaria, Macron said the Polish reluctance to reform the bloc's labor rules is "an illustration of the mistakes made by this government."

    His comments came on the final leg of a three-day visit to Central and Eastern Europe that has included meetings with Austrian, Czech, Slovak and Romanian leaders but not with Polish officials.

    "Poland has decided to isolate itself from Europe and its refusal to revise this directive doesn't change my confidence in (getting) a positive outcome" on the rules change, Macron said, adding Poles "deserved better."

    "The (Polish) prime minister will have difficulty explaining why it's good to pay the Poles badly," Macron said.

    Poland is the largest source of posted workers, about 300,000 to 400,000 a year. Critics say having posted workers leads to lower wages and fewer jobs for workers from wealthy nations and reduces the taxes coming in to fund social programs in wealthy nations.

    Polish Prime Minister Beata Szydlo hit back, calling the French leader's criticism "arrogant," advising him to "mind the business of his own country." She also accused France of trying to "take apart one of the pillars of the EU" — the free movement of workers among the bloc's 28 nations.
     
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