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Anti-EU Sentiment Thread

Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by BMD, May 21, 2016.

  1. Himanshu Pandey

    Himanshu Pandey Don't get mad, get even. STAR MEMBER

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    those were never nations from day one.. this nation state concept had outlived in europe and it's disintegration into smaller nations are the future... EU is for europe so I never understood the negativity.
     
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    Because those nations have a culture, a history and an identity that the EU seeks to eradicate. Leave the EU and they try split you up. The EU has no culture, no identity and no history.
     
  3. Himanshu Pandey

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    yes but it has a common future and a present where disputes will be solved on tables rather then in battlefields.. isn't it better.

    it is created by you people not by some emperor or conqueror.
     
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    Nope. Because nothing ever gets resolved, sovereign states just get walked over. And the same rules have different effects nation to nation. E.g. the UK was getting more net immigration than France, Spain and Italy combined. And when it asked to reduce it to the same levels as those three, it was told no. So there is no real equality only a perception of it.

    No it wasn't. The EU Constitution was voted down in referendums, so they re-wrote it as the Lisbon Treaty and put it through without a referendum behind closed doors under a veil of secrecy. Neither the Maastricht nor the Lisbon Treaty were of the people.

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    While the EU is a shambling monster, it still manages to shamble onward while the UK is laying dead on the ground. A Good Cartoon. :p
     
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    That represents the EU's hold on the UK. It no longer exists.
     
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    http://www.newsweek.com/hungarys-orban-reaches-out-diaspora-next-door-699891

    HUNGARY’S ORBAN REACHES OUT TO DIASPORA NEXT DOOR
    BY MIKE GONZALEZ ON 11/2/17 AT 12:32 PM




























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    This article first appeared on The Daily Signal.

    Prime Minister Viktor Orban of Hungary is at his best when defending his nation’s sovereignty against encroachment, be it from the liberal progressivism of George Soros or the crushing intrusions of the European Union.

    He’s at his worst, however, when interfering in the self-determination of other sovereign nation-states around him.

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    Most will admit—although in many places only grudgingly—that Orban won the intellectual argument over mass migration. The open-door policy embodied by German Chancellor Angela Merkel has been discredited as a mistake.
     
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    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...rkel-EU-latest-news?google_editors_picks=true

    BREXIT BOMBSHELL: Germany's EU bill to soar as Merkel counts cost of life without UK
    GERMANY’S contributions to the European Union (EU) are set to rocket as the bloc counts the cost of life without Britain after Brexit.

    A bombshell report has revealed Angela Merkel’s nation will have to increase funding to around a third - from €15 billion in 2015 to around €20 billion once the UK leaves.

    The damning report records the true cost of Brexit for Brussels with Germany set to become the world’s largest cash machine in a bid to prop-up the ailing bloc.

    The Federal Court of Auditors said the calculations were based on current EU programmes, but does not even include pensions of Brussels officials.

    However, it can be expected that these could account for additional billions, if cuts are not made.

    The report comes after EU officials confirmed Britain’s net contribution of some €9bn euros (£7.66 billion) could not be offset totally through future budget cuts

    Germany, Europe’s largest economy, already makes the largest net contribution to the EU budget each year at more than €15 billion.

    Senior German government officials have said the EU budget must shrink if Britain’s contribution falls away.

    German European Commissioner Guenther Oettinger earlier this year said the bloc was considering further cut agricultural subsidies, but it still needed more funds given other issues that Brussels wanted to take on, such as tackling the causes of migration and bolstering joint defence.

    Mr Oettinger has previously said that the EU faces a £10 billion shortfall due to Brexit, which forms part of an overall £18 billion budget blackhole caused by other crises including migration.

    Instead, he proposed that alongside some savings the EU should put an end to all rebates and ask member states to all cough up more cash to bankroll common projects.
     
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    .........like millions of British voters who voted for Brexit in hope of having more funds for their NHS.
     
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    If people were told to take a pay cut to fund the NHS, they would never have agreed to such a deal. But the country is gonna get a pay cut and they expect more funding.

    Ignorance is bliss... a British quote. :D

    https://www.indy100.com/article/bre...may-conservatives-destroy-the-country-7858891
    People voted for a fantasy.
     
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...argeting-george-soros/?utm_term=.e9201060a148

    Hungary accused of ‘hatemongering’ in national survey targeting George Soros




    By Max Bearak November 8 at 3:34 PM
    “national consultation” survey mailed to them by their government. The issue at hand is one of great importance to the Hungarian electorate — immigration and refugee quotas — but the government has come under fire from human rights groups and European Union officials who say they are engaging in “hatemongering” propaganda.

    Instead of making E.U. policy and policymakers the subjects of the survey, the government has made Jewish and Hungarian American billionaire philanthropist George Soros the chief villain of a conspiracy against Hungary. The survey questions refer to a so-called Soros plan, which was allegedly created by Soros and E.U. leaders in closed-door meetings in Brussels to force all E.U. member states to abolish refugee quotas and take down border protection walls.

    Hungary's prime minister, Viktor Orban, claims Soros is the mastermind behind a surreptitious political campaign to flood Europe with Middle Eastern and African migrants and refugees. Orban is up for reelection in April, and has made criticism of Soros and E.U. immigration policy his central message. He says Brussels “eats from Soros's hand.” Soros has dismissed the criticism and the survey as “conspiracy theories.”

    Hungary has so far refused to sign on to the E.U.'s refugee-sharing plan, passed in September 2015 at the height of Europe's refugee crisis, which would relocate 120,000 asylum seekers among member states. In September, a court in Brussels upheld the constitutionality of the plan, which Hungary and Slovakia had challenged along with other Central European countries.

    The seven survey questions — each one essentially asking “Do you agree with this?” — are preceded by what could only be construed as leading, if not negative statements about the supposed Soros plan.

    1. George Soros wants to convince Brussels to resettle at least one million immigrants from Africa and the Middle East annually on the territory of the European Union, including Hungary as well.
    2. George Soros, together with leaders in Brussels, also plan to have the member states of the E.U., including Hungary, take down the border protection fences and open the borders for immigrants.
    3. It is part of the Soros plan that Brussels redistributes immigrants gathered in Western European countries on a mandatory basis, referring in particular to Eastern European countries. Hungary would be required to take part in this as well.
    4. Based on the Soros plan, Brussels should require every member state, including Hungary, to pay 9 million HUF (Hungarian currency equivalent to around $30,000) in mandatory state aid for every immigrant.
    5. George Soros would also like to see migrants receive lighter sentences for the crimes they commit.
    6. The goal of the Soros plan is to diminish the importance of the language and culture of European countries to make the integration of illegal immigrants happen sooner.
    7. It is part of the Soros plan to launch political attacks on countries objecting to immigration and impose strict penalties on them.
    Human Rights Watch, which is partly funded by Soros's Open Society Foundations, called the survey a “hatemongering questionnaire” and said it put forward a “distorted half-truth” about both Soros's and the E.U.'s policy objectives. It characterized the fifth question, about lighter sentencing for migrants, as “incendiary and false.”

    The survey seems written to imply that Brussels would force Hungary to resettle many more than the 50,000 over two years stipulated in the refugee-sharing agreement. It also eschews the E.U.'s massive spending on international efforts to stem flows of migrants, and the fact that Hungary is the biggest per capita recipient of E.U. funds within the union.

    Last summer, the government sponsored another anti-Soros initiative, then with posters around the country with Soros's face and the words “Let’s not allow George Soros to have the last laugh!” Many were defaced with anti-Semitic graffiti before being taken down. Soros is Jewish. The Anti-Defamation League found that in 2015, around 40 percent of Hungarians responded “probably true” to a majority of anti-Semitic stereotypes in a survey.

    On Wednesday, one of the E.U. parliament's most outspoken members, former Belgian prime minister Guy Verhofstadt, said he had requested the body's president to summon Hungary's ambassador to the European Union to stop them from following through with the “national consultation.”
     

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