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  1. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Captain Technical Analyst

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    29/11/16

    3 Terrorists Killed in a foiled infiltration bid by BSF.The incident happened at international border at Fatwal village in Chamliyal area, Ramgarh sector, early Tuesday.

    4 BSF men were injured in an IED blast which happened while retrieving the dead bodies of terrorists.

    3 AK47s , numerous magazines ,hand grenades and winter clothing recovered. Exact details to be let out later.

    —The Indian Express
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Captain Technical Analyst

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    Nagrota Army Camp Attack

    3 Army Soldiers Martyrs.Most casualties happened in the Mess where these terrorists fired at the unarmed Soldiers, and at the entrance.

    4 Terrorists killed , search operations on.

    To be updated as and when news comes in.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Captain Technical Analyst

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    VCheng RIDER GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

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    Why talk? Because India benefits from being seen as the rational regional power for peace, despite grave provocations, keeping the international community firmly in its favor.
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    The issue with talks is we talk with the Pak govt, but the Pak Army calls the shots. So we may as well be talking to a wall.

    What's worse is, once talks start showing a positive upturn, we get a nice big terrorist attack supported by the ISI, making the entire exercise futile.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Captain Technical Analyst

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    India has tried it for 6 decades with no returns.

    And further what about those 4 men who today gave up their lives ?Who is responsible for them ?

    If it was purely about ceasefire violations , you had a point. But here its about one party supporting terrorists openly and causing fatalities on our side .

    Untill and unless Pakistan stops supporting terrorists , talks have zero meaning and zero benefits for us.
     
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    VCheng RIDER GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

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    You are actually making the same point: Talking to Pakistan may not do much good on the border, but it buys India international goodwill that helps it in many ways. Just look at their perceptions for now. Which country is the shining star and which one is the pariah? Why do anything to change that?
     
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    I don't think we will lose anything or gain anything internationally now by talking again. I mean we will not get anymore brownie points because we have already created an international standing for ourselves that nobody can dispute.

    Rather we will be seen as weak if we give in to Pak demands of 'unconditional' talks. Unconditional talks don't make sense to us. Our demand is rather simple, cease terrorism, then we will talk. And this position is acceptable to the international community.

    You tell me why we should have unconditional talks?
     
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    VCheng RIDER GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

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    Because there is no alternative to talks. Keeping them going is good for India's image. Cross border terrorism will not stop either way, given how it is baked into Pakistani policies towards India. During the talks, present evidence for the world to see, and keep doing it, to play the game well.
     
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    The talks have always led to our people dying because the Pak govt can't control its henchmen.

    If cross border terrorism doesn't stop, then talks can't happen. The thing is talks gives Pak the advantage, always. When talks happen, our military is reigned in, which puts India in a severe disadvantage. The last time we had successful talks, we got Kargil.

    Also, India wants no talks on Kashmir until terrorism stops. And the part of Kashmir we want talks on is only Pak Occ Kashmir, not the valley or other regions under our control.

    There is an alternative for talks, the current status quo. India enjoys an advantage with no talks. The failure of the violent separatist protests after demonetization proves that there is really no public support for an anti-India agenda in Kashmir. So only Pak wants talks, not India.
     
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    VCheng RIDER GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

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    I will concede that if India thinks that it benefits by not talking, then by all mean it should reject the offer of talks by Pakistan. At best, Pakistan can plead to the international community that it is willing to talk and hope that they believe it, but that is not likely that they will do so. It will take tangible action rather than words to convince the international community that it is indeed changing its ways over the use of terrorism.
     
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    I think the logical step is to call off the 2002/03 ceasefire. Pakistan is not holding up it's end of the bargain.
     
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    VCheng RIDER GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

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    And how much further can this escalate? Why do this when there are better alternatives?
     
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    Alternatives not working, will only maintain status quo. Only option now is to escalate until Pak cannot match the firepower across the border. To increase the cost of terrorism to unbearable levels...
     
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    Well said and it is in fact the most important factor. The negotiation request is from Pakistan Government, and violations are from PA because they don't want peace, they want to maintain their dominance in this matter. Personally, no point wasting time on negotiations. Every positive step between the governments only invited a bigger counter from the PA brass. One only need to rewind back into the incidents and recall that Pathankot incident happened just before major steps towards Peace were expected to happen. The truth is, PA is more committed to China than the actual Pakistani government. This will not change, not anytime soon and until it doesn't, we are holding negotiation with the wrong person in-charge. Regardless of what we will do, the international community will do nothing more than mere lip service and should not be considered as an excuse. Our nations safety is our own responsibility.

    Good Day!
     
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