Dismiss Notice
Welcome to IDF- Indian Defence Forum , register for free to join this friendly community of defence enthusiastic from around the world. Make your opinion heard and appreciated.

Anti Terror Operations: Reports and Discussions.

Discussion in 'Indian Army' started by Ankit Kumar 001, Nov 22, 2016.

Tags:
  1. Kalmuahlaunda

    Kalmuahlaunda Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2016
    Messages:
    481
    Likes Received:
    902
    Country Flag:
    India
    Why not targeting their army leaders? both in pakistan and worldwide?
     
  2. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2013
    Messages:
    8,556
    Likes Received:
    3,294
    We had offered to change the LoC to the international border and end the dispute when we were on the receiving end of international politics, but Pak denied that.

    Now, with the world switching to India's viewpoint, we have decided to change tack. Now we are talking about splitting Pak into more countries openly.

    We have gained many options now. So let's see how it all plays out. At least for now, it appears Modi has almost practically guaranteed himself a second term. So we are going to see some unpredictable moves from him, similar to the surgical strikes.
     
  3. VCheng

    VCheng RIDER GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2010
    Messages:
    1,159
    Likes Received:
    1,753
    To be honest, I find such boasts of breaking Pakistan into many pieces just as bombastic as Pakistani dreams of leading a unified Ummah, and just as unlikely. As you hint, Modi is using the LoC tensions to help his election to a second term, since an actual resolution is still far in the future. I have no problem in noting that this is the same cynical ploy that the Pak Generals use to consolidate themselves in Pakistan, on the backs of the poor Kashmiris.
     
    nair likes this.
  4. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2013
    Messages:
    8,556
    Likes Received:
    3,294
    I gave that 'breaking up thing' as an example of my earlier example of 'issuing threats'. The fact is, "We don't want war. But we will break up Pakistan into smaller pieces, if we do go to war". That's the threat.

    So India's position has shifted to a very aggressive stance compared to what was a completely passive stance even during the Kargil War where we didn't cross the LoC.

    LoC won't be a major election issue for Modi. Kashmir has never been an election issue. I mean, Vajpayee gave us a resounding victory in 1999 and still lost the election in 2004. Only total war can become an election issue, depending on how big it is.
     
  5. VCheng

    VCheng RIDER GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2010
    Messages:
    1,159
    Likes Received:
    1,753
    I think this quote is appropriate here:

    "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far." - Theodore Roosevelt

    Issuing repetitive threats goes against this wise saying. Ab kee maar key dekh ......... :D
     
  6. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2013
    Messages:
    8,556
    Likes Received:
    3,294
    That only helps against more civilized militaries. Pak Army isn't civilized enough to understand that. :D

    Take their nuclear posturing for example. They threatened us every few weeks with a nuclear strike. But we called their bluff. Once the surgical strikes happened, they are the ones speaking softly now, while carrying a broken stick.

    PA joined the Afghan War on America's side only after the Americans publicly threatened to bomb Pak back to the 'stone age'.

    They only act under threat. You push these generals into a corner and they will buckle. They can't afford to have their comfortable lives threatened now, do they?
     
  7. VCheng

    VCheng RIDER GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2010
    Messages:
    1,159
    Likes Received:
    1,753
    Actually, the Pak Army is plenty smart. After all, what other army holds an entire country like they do? The people may suffer, but they do not. As long as they are regarded by their bloody civilians as the masters of whatever corner they are pushed into, what's the problem? :D
     
  8. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2013
    Messages:
    8,556
    Likes Received:
    3,294
    The biggest threat to Pakistan is not nukes, it is the rampaging IA. The biggest threat to India is not the PA, but nukes.

    The IA can completely displace the PA, and that's what PA fears the most.
     
    Gessler likes this.
  9. VCheng

    VCheng RIDER GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2010
    Messages:
    1,159
    Likes Received:
    1,753
    But there is one huge difference: PA answers only to itself and remains above the law, while the IA must obey the civilian authority mandated to be above it by law. Huge difference.
     
    Hellfire likes this.
  10. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2013
    Messages:
    8,556
    Likes Received:
    3,294
    Yes, that's exactly why the nukes are a bigger threat. It targets the civilians who are in power, our economy, our govt.
     
    Hellfire likes this.
  11. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Captain Technical Analyst

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2016
    Messages:
    1,528
    Likes Received:
    3,004
    Country Flag:
    India
    NAGROTA ARMY CAMP ATTACK UPDATE

    Number of Indian Army Casualty rises to 7.

    Bodies of 3 Terrorists recovered till today morning.

    — The Hindu , ET Defence etc.
     
  12. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Captain Technical Analyst

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2016
    Messages:
    1,486
    Likes Received:
    8,864
    Country Flag:
    United Kingdom
    Sorry sir but this is such BS that only the diplomats and those journos/academics who participate in foreign conferances and panel discussions say.

    In reality India does not gain a thing from these talks, instead it weakens India's hand as by engagin with a terrorist state it diminishs India's claims and legitimises the Pak state's actions.

    India gets played for fools again and again, decades of looking like the"rational" player (I don't think it has had this affect though) has not acheived a thing. Doing the same thing again and again, expecting different resuts.....
     
    Bregs and R!CK like this.
  13. VCheng

    VCheng RIDER GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2010
    Messages:
    1,159
    Likes Received:
    1,753
    Okay, let us assume you are correct. What alternative that is effective would you like to propose?
     
  14. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Captain Technical Analyst

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2016
    Messages:
    1,486
    Likes Received:
    8,864
    Country Flag:
    United Kingdom
    A consistent approach, treat Pakistan as it is asking to be treated (as a terrorist state). There can be no double standards, there can be no inconsistencies, every element of government and society needs to be on the same page. no more repeats of the Pathankot JIT debacle, no invites to their NSA.

    Indians get angry that the US won't declare Pakistan a terrorist state but India's own parliament has yet to do so.
     
  15. VCheng

    VCheng RIDER GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2010
    Messages:
    1,159
    Likes Received:
    1,753
    Why do you think that the Indian Parliament has not yet declared Pakistan as a terrorist state? Do they see any downsides to doing so?
     

Share This Page