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Arihant Class SSBN - India's Domestic Nuclear Submarine

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by SpArK, Aug 7, 2012.

  1. lca-fan

    lca-fan Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Already in service.............

    https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/01/revealed-indian-navys-next-advanced-technology-vessel.html

    REVEALED: India’s Next ‘Advanced Technology Vessel’
    Shiv AroorJan 19 2017 9 30 am


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    There won’t be a public commissioning ceremony or any fanfare for the cameras. Not the sort that usually accompanies the entry into service of a frontline warship. In fact, much like India’s first nuclear ballistic missile submarine INS Arihant, known all its life simply by its euphemistic project title Advanced Technology Vessel, this new ship will likely slip into service in silence. Revealed first over two years ago here on Livefist, the secretive vessel, known only by its mysterious yard designation at Visakhapatnam, VC 11184, will be India’s most advanced electronics and tracking/surveillance vessel — a missile range instrumentation ship. And it will be the first ship to be a dedicated element in Phase-2 of India’s ballistic missile defence (BMD) setup and also be deployed for duties to support India’s strategic weapons programme. The build programme is being monitored directly by the Prime Minister’s Office in Delhi.

    The photograph you see here is the first of the ship being floated out last year. Livefist can confirm that VC 11184 is currently in a phase of systems trials and will be handed over to the Indian Navy after sea trials in the summer. The vessel will have on board a specialised team from the National Technical Research Organisation (NTRO) — India’s principal technical intelligence bureau, which reports directly to the National Security Advisor’s office at the PMO. The ship will be primarily tasked with missile tracking using two sensors, possibly an X-Band AESA primary radar and an S-Band AESA secondary radar, ranging and electronic intelligence (ELINT) gathering, making it the first ship of its kind to join Indian service. Only four other countries — the US, Russia, China and France — operate similar vessels.

    India’s state-owned Hindustan Shipyard Ltd (HSL), a dying institution, was handed the roughly Rs 725 crore on 25 Feb 2013 — likely a strategic move, given that HSL has been well out of India’s industrial spotlight for year[​IMG]s, a status that was perhaps conducive to building such a ship in relative secrecy. Originally to have been delivered by August 2015, the build has been delayed for a variety of familiar reasons: logistical, delays in procurement of on-board equipment, propulsion systems and sensors etc. The Indian Navy is not authorised to speak on record about the vessel.

    Very little is known about the vessel beyond what your correspondent reported here in 2014. What we do know is that the VC 11184 won’t be a small ship — at 175 metres, it will be among the largest ships in service under the aircraft carriers, roughly as long as the amphibious landing ship INS Jalashwa and Deepak-class fleet replenishment tankers.

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    NOTE: While the Indian Navy and other government agencies are not authorised to speak on record about the VC 11184, Livefist has ensured the information being put out in this post is of a non-classified nature, and has had it vetted with the agencies involved.
     
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  2. Agent_47

    Agent_47 Admin - Blog IDF NewBie

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    Is there any plans to expand SBC to simultaneous building of SSN and bigger Arihants ?
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    China is building the world's largest nuclear submarine facility
     
  3. kurup

    kurup 2nd Lieutant IDF NewBie

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    I would like to see a picture of Indian SSBN like this ..... in full glory ,

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  4. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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  5. Golden_Rule

    Golden_Rule Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    In case of a second-strike, for an enemy like China, it is better to destroy its leadership in the attack. This will lead to internal chaos which can be leveraged to liberate the occupied territories. For an enemy like China, solution needs to be imposed on it rather than to be negotiated with split tongue lizards.
     
  6. Bloom 17

    Bloom 17 2nd Lieutant IDF NewBie

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    In my opinion for countries like Pakistan, china their enemy no 1 is not India or US but their own citizens. With a strong propaganda machine they can be bought to their knees without going nuclear. Pakistan would have disintegrated into more pieces by now if it had the present level of media penetration in 1971. Ok that was off topic
     
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  7. Golden_Rule

    Golden_Rule Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Media can assist in disintegration but can never be an enabler. There are ways to overcome the power of media, which we have seen successfully in china's blackout of world media to its citizens and promoting state's propaganda via its controlled media. We have also seen how India has successfully disabled pakistani sponsored Kashmir movement.

    The key to any revolt is its funding. And you can clearly see its fingerprints since the time of Cromwell, French revolution, Russian revolution, Chinese PLA revolution. For that matter, even our own Kashmir turmioil. Without covert funding none can sustain.
     
  8. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    Au-contraire, the chaos will be more dangerous. Remember that you will be attacking a nation and it's people. The feeling will not exactly be rationale. Removing the leadership exposes you to a position where in there is no resolution, merely escalation. Not exactly the wisest course of action.

    I am not very sure about you, but majority in India have plenty to live for :)
     
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  9. migflug

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    Commissioning Aridhaman & Carriers

    Underwater pontoon launch of K-15)

    Around a fortnight from today, the fueled up INS Aridhaman, the second nuclear-powered ballistic missile-firing submarine will be officially commissioned into the Indian Navy. It will be the pleasant duty of the new Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman to actually break a coconut — not a champagne bottle — on the hull of the SSBN.

    The Aridhaman too is an Arihant-class boat but with more onboard firepower — 8 vertical launch tubes for the 1,500 km range K-15 and 2,500km range K-4 Mk-1 (seaborne Agni-III) missiles — with the 5,000km range K-5 Mk-II (seaborne Agni-V) missile under development but coming up fast. The weapon mix will of course be determined by the aim of the nuclear counter-strike mission. In comparison, Arihant carries, besides the K-15, also the K-4 — but has available only 4 missile silos aft of the conning tower.

    In fact, the Indian Arihant-class SSBN seems far larger and more powerful than advertised by the government or the navy. It looks like the Arihant displaces some 8,000 tonnes as against its publicized tonnage of 6,000 tonnes. The follow-on sub — Aridhaman and the two other SSBNs in this class are larger still.:achmed:
    Naturally, this sort of tonnage cannot be pushed by a relatively puny 90MW miniaturized light water reactor. Matching the displacement with the power plant would put the latter at anywhere between 120MW-150MW for the Arihant, and nearer to 200MW for the Aridhaman.

    The SSBN would not have been possible — it must be gratefully admitted, without seminal help and assistance from Russia, which has been surprisingly forthcoming in parting with strategic technologies. Those in the Indian military enamoured of Western tech and imports, should sit down and enumerate what technologies the three armed services have actually received from the US and France before they begin yapping incessantly about the so-called mil high-tech Western countries supply and are prepared to part with in the future. If anybody in the GOI/MOD/armed services are even a little honest they will realize that the sole aim of Western govts and arms industries is to sell gullible 2nd rate states 2nd rate equipment dressed up with lots of bells and whistles to impress the yokels. And then the most critical tech will NOT be offered other than as “black box” technologies (even for the antiquated F-16!) . If it is anywhere near cutting edge hardware, such as the electro-magnetic aircraft launch system for carriers, it is made accessible to India only because their own services are finding it hard to absorb, cost-wise, and the govts and companies need a foreign buyer to amortize their R&D investments and to reduce the unit cost for their own militaries.

    The EMALS on the USS Gerald Ford nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, for instance, costs the American Navy $3 billion. General Dynamics wants upwards of $5-$6 billion for each EMALS unit sold to, yea, the sucker primero — India. This while Washington has made it plain that the deal for it will not come with the nuclear reactor (required to generate the enormous power to needed to drive the EMALS) the Indian naval brass desperately desired. The alternative — EMALS with several GE LM 2500 gas turbine power packs, makes little sense.

    As it is, aircraft carriers are dead in the water with supersonic cruise missiles such as the Brahmos. With hypersonic weapons coming soon large ships will become all the more vulnerable and, by and by, extinct. Not that any of this will deter the naval aviation types — most of them not surprisingly graduates of the US Naval War College. Except the US Navy with a ship strength of 370 bottoms and rising deploys as escort flotilla a minimum of 5-7 frigates/missile destroyers and 1-2 submarines pulling picket duty for each of its 11 carriers. Translate that into IN terms, and most of the capital ships will be not out there asserting presence, showing flag, doing sea control but protecting the carriers. Should MOD/GOI approve 3 aircraft carriers, it will mean 15-21 surface combatants and 3 or more subs pulling police duty for the carriers out of a strength of some 50 odd fighting ships and 20 submersibles (by 2025). It will be a bit like the hordes of police and NSG protecting our VVIP netas even as there are no police to spare for their main role — of keeping criminals off our streets and our throats. Moreover, carriers are impressive in peace time; in war they are, what, sitting ducks?

    https://bharatkarnad.com/2017/09/16/commissioning-aridhaman-carriers/
     
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  10. Bloom 17

    Bloom 17 2nd Lieutant IDF NewBie

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    I hope they don't call in the press and flood the internet with photos of the sub.
     
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  11. Golden_Rule

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    Good perspective.

    However, there are several factors in arriving at a strategic outcome. I am for sure not for harming common citizen in any part of the world.

    You can never expect to leave alive Saddam Hussein or Qaddafi and negotiate with them to implement democracy. That is not how their brain is wired. They would do a Taqqyia and wait for an opportune time to do things they are most comfortable with, which is rule unto themselves.

    If you read the history of conception of PLA, it was created by the same set of revolutionaries who threw apart the Tzar of Russia. It is just that they took a pause from 1922 till 1945 to engage in another agenda of the Great Depression, creation of Hitler, Wealth destruction and consolidation thru WW II and finally the creation of Israel and implementation & control of Petro-Dollars world wide.

    Either way, "danger" is lurking around whether you leave a group of imperialist leaders alive to negotiate with or allow a new order to be created by its citizen. Question should be - what is the best in India's interest keeping in mind the past behavior of the enemy as well as its "intention" and the Italian protegee whose sole purpose is to destroy India from within, who has the art of wooing Amethi'ites in order to keep her presence in the legislative.



    We are spiritual beings, having a human experience. We come back until we burn all our Karmas. I do not believe in plenty, I believe in Quality!
     
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  12. Golden_Rule

    Golden_Rule Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    @PARIKRAMA LOL ... the premonition came true .... information from this forum picked by IDRW :lol::lol:
     
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  13. surya kiran

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    It makes sense to leave the leadership, amenable to our interests, alive. The rest are fair game.
     
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    kaykay 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Why is Bharat Karnad butthurt about Carriers? Even calling it a sitting ducks
     
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  15. Ved Mishra

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    He doesn't know that striking fear in mind is more important than actually fighting the war.
     

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