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Arjun Vs AL- Khalid.

Discussion in 'South Asia & SAARC' started by SpArK, Apr 26, 2010.

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  1. SpArK

    SpArK SorCeroR Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    Would very much like to know which one is better.
    ARJUN
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    Type Main Battle Tank
    Place of origin India
    Production history
    Designer CVRDE, DRDO
    Designed March 1974–present
    Manufacturer Heavy Vehicles Factory, Avadi
    Unit cost US$3.8M (Rs 17.20 crore per system)[1]
    Produced 2004–present
    Number built 64+
    Variants Tank EX

    Specifications
    Weight 58.5 tonnes (57.6 long tons; 64.5 short tons)
    Length 10.638 metres (34 ft 10.8 in)
    Width 3.864 metres (12 ft 8.1 in)
    Height 2.32 metres (7 ft 7 in)
    Crew 4 (commander, gunner, loader and driver)
    Armors Steel/composite Kanchan armour.

    Primary armament 120 mm rifled tank gun
    LAHAT anti-tank missile
    HEAT, APFSDS, HESH Rounds

    Secondary armament HCB 12.7 mm AA MG
    Mag 7.62 mm Tk715 coaxial MG[2]
    Engine MTU 838 Ka 501 diesel
    1,400 hp (1,040 kW)
    Power/weight 26 hp/tonne
    Transmission Renk epicyclic train gearbox, 4 fwd + 2 rev
    gears
    Suspension hydropneumatic
    Ground clearance 0.45 metres (1 ft 6 in)
    Fuel capacity 1,610 litres (350 imp gal; 430 US gal)
    Operational range 450 kilometres (280 mi)[2]
    Speed 72 km/h (45 mph) Road[2]
    40 km/h (25 mph) Cross country



    AL-KHALID

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    Type Main battle tank
    Place of origin Pakistan
    People's Republic of China
    Service history
    In service 2001—Present
    Used by Pakistan
    Production history
    Designer Norinco, Factory 617
    Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT)
    Designed 1990—99
    Manufacturer Norinco (MBT-2000)
    Heavy Industries Taxila (Al-Khalid)
    Produced 2001—Present
    Variants MBT-2000
    Al-Khalid
    Al-Khalid I
    Al-Khalid II (under development)
    Specifications (Al-Khalid I)

    Weight 47 t (52 short tons)[1]
    Length 10.07 m (33.0 ft)
    Width 3.50 m (11.5 ft)
    Height 2.40 m (7.9 ft)
    Crew 3
    Armour Composite armour, RHA, ERA
    Primary
    armament
    125 mm smoothbore gun, 39 rds

    Secondary
    armament
    7.62 mm coaxial MG, 3000 rds
    12.7 mm external AA MG, 500 rds
    Engine KMDB 6TD-2 6-cylinder diesel
    1,200 hp (890 kW)
    Power/weight 26.7 hp/tonne
    Transmission SESM ESM500 5-speed automatic
    Suspension Torsion bars, hydraulic dampers

    Operational range 450 km
    Speed 72 km/h


    Which one is better and WHY?
     
  2. Dark_Prince

    Dark_Prince 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Al-Khalid is Chinese Type-90 assembled in pakistan! And you can guess further!

    Arjun is indigenously built Heavy Tank, recently out-gunned Mighty T-90 hands-down!

    Difference is anybodies guess!
    :india:
     
  3. Dark Angel

    Dark Angel FULL MEMBER

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    The arjun armour is far better than type 90 and it has an engine with 200 more horsepower and will get additional 100 horsepower soon making a 1500 horsepower engine

    At 0.84 Arjuns ground pressure is even better than T-90



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  4. Arjun MBT

    Arjun MBT Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    What more should one say about an MBT which Outgunned T-90 of Russia... Simply Awsome machine, if its made more stealthy by design and Reduce its weight... And Keep Active protection system for MK2
     
  5. True_Indian

    True_Indian 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    But why is indian army reluctant to buy arjun mk1 in large numbers army seems to be looking for futuristic new designes.
     
  6. Dilemma

    Dilemma Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    As of now, Al-Khalid > Arjun.
    Lets see what happens when Arjun Mk2 arrives.
     
  7. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    ^^^ Ridiculous. Al Khalid is a joke of a tank that won't last 5 mins in a real battle field, It's only utility is for Pak public to see it in large numbers and feel good about it. Arjun's heavier for a reason. It has a better suspenseion, allows for greater accuracy, better rested soldiers. The Al Khlid is inherently dangerous and was prone to tankfires to such an extent that the tank men had morale problems and they had to put in fire detection systems. Arjun took a looong time to finish. But I guess that's all right. Point is that even after such dlays it can kick the c**p out of many battle tanks when Al Khalid, despite being more recent is an inadequate solution.
     
  8. DaRk KnIght

    DaRk KnIght Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Any specific reasons?? :confused:
     
  9. AVADI

    AVADI Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    I agree with the above statement as of now Al-Khalid is better tank now since it has been a successful project.With Pakistan Army satisfied with the tank and plan to induct them in good numbers.
     
  10. siegecrossbow

    siegecrossbow 2nd Lieutant ELITE MEMBER

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    So what are we comparing here specifically? Stats or suitability to the respective countries? A good weapon is not just a weapon that excels performance wise but factors such as price and price to performance ratio must also be accounted for.
     
  11. jagjitnatt

    jagjitnatt Major ELITE MEMBER

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    Arjun can be a great tank, right now its good, but not what it was supposed to be. It has some problems that DRDO has been working on. Hopefully Mk II will get rid of those problems and the tank would operate at its full potential. Then it would be one hell of a tank, probably the toughest in the south asia region.
     
  12. brain_dead

    brain_dead Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    jaggu sir, how would u compare arjun vs al khalid. ?
     
  13. jagjitnatt

    jagjitnatt Major ELITE MEMBER

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    Al Khaled is a smaller tank, but complete in all terms. It has evolved already. There is not much that will change in it over time.
    Overall - 6/10

    Arjun is a much bigger, more powerful tank, but its not complete yet. Not all subsystems are working to their full potential. A few important things are missing. Although these systems are not present in Al Khaled either, but Arjun being a class above has to have these features. So Arjun is although better than Al Khaled in most areas, has still a long way to go before it evolves into a mature tank. Then it would be comparable to T-90 and other MBTs from Japan and China.
    Overall - 6.5/10
    Could be 8.5/10
     
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  14. brain_dead

    brain_dead Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    hmm.. so this means we shouldnt just dismiss al-khalid calling it a inferior tank.
    also there were news of arjun out performing t-90. but there are many who also say that news was fake.
    i personally dont think arjun can outperform t-90.
    our arjuns are still in the evolving stage, but are they battle ready..??
     
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  15. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    Only partly right- can't compare it with al khalid. see the design philosophy of the tank plays a huge role. Al khalid depends upon the numbers game. Arjun is the kind of tank that can break that mould like...say the leopard or the abrams. So the success of arjun depends not on what it is but whether the army is clear on taking up the kind of doctrine that the tank needs to fully realize it's potential. Tht's where the IA lacks (not arjun).
     
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