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Arjun Vs AL- Khalid.

Discussion in 'South Asia & SAARC' started by SpArK, Apr 26, 2010.

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  1. chachachoudhary

    chachachoudhary Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Leaving aside all the gyan, to all those who think that al-khalid is better because it has been inducted into Pak army, I would like to opine that al-khalid is in pak army because unlike india, Pakistan army had very little options. Unlike Pak army, indian army has been spoilt by choices/options.

    Indian army could have easily gone for tanks from Germany, Britain or Poland. Israel was ready to offer Markava, which indian army found not suitable for our conditions.

    T-90 was not chosen because it was the best tank in the world, but because of indian army's relative expertise, experience, and acquaintance with legacy T-72s and this was exactly the reason for indian army's reluctance for Arjun as they were compelled to make quantum changes in their operational infrastructure to accomodate Arjuns.

    The Arjun with ERA will be heavier by at least 1.5 tons, but still lighter than all the major killer tanks available today.
     
  2. flanker143

    flanker143 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    arjun has battle field management system.....

    thats bcoz al khalid has a auto loader.....

    cmon dude don't tell me it is cheaper to put a auto loader inside a tank instead of an extra crew member/manual loader,also cheaper to operate a autoloader instead of a manual loader (manual loader don't need maintainance do they ???!!

    no it does not have an auto loader !! the fourth crew isn't for cleaning the tank !!
    forur crew members --- 1 commander 2 gunner 3driver and the fourth we are talking here of is the gun loader....
     
  3. Bad Wolf

    Bad Wolf Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    and pakistani pop up rocket is much better then spec shuttle
     
  4. RoYaN

    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    No need needed at all :nono: :nono:
     
  5. Spartacus+

    Spartacus+ Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Again you guys are confused by fancy paper specifications Arjun have this so its better than AL-KHALID Arjun is outdated tank now its nowhere near AL-KHALID.

    AL-KHALID tank classified in 3 blocks..

    AL-KHALID
    Al-Khalid –operational as of 2001,
    125mm gun
    Ammunition capacity of 39 125 mm rounds,
    500 12.7 mm rounds
    3,000 7.62 mm rounds
    Watch awesome display of mobility.
    YouTube - Al-Khalid.wmv

    Al-Khalid I (In production)
    Ammunition capacity increased to 49 125 mm rounds
    1,500 12.7mm rounds and 7,100 7.62mm rounds
    Rate of fire increased to 9 rounds per minute
    Ukrainian Varta electro-optical jammer (disrupts laser rangefinders, laser designators and anti-tank guided missile tracking systems)
    Integrated Battle Field Management System (IBMS)
    French Sagem thermal imagers and improved air conditioning system
    AL-KHALID-1 testing video.
    YouTube - General Tariq Majid, Chairman CJCSC visited Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT) - February 24, 2010

    AL-KHALID-II Underdevelopment it will come out in next 2 years it is supposed to be Leopard 2A6 and M1A2 class tank it will be superior to any thing India will induct in next 10 years.
     
  6. flanker143

    flanker143 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    is al khalid a JV with china or a renamed chinese tank with modifications to suit pakistan army ??

    also if the tank is so good then why china is not buying it ??

    no offense...
     
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  7. Spartacus+

    Spartacus+ Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Yes AL-KHALID is based on Chinese T-90II and T-90III China have over 1500 these tanks in inventory.
    AL-KHALID development deal signed in 1990 and many prototype tested in Pakistan with the requirements of Pakistani army.

    P1 – Prototype incorporating a Chinese 125 mm gun, autoloader and fire-control system, German MTU-396 diesel engine and Renk LSG-3000 automatic transmission.
    P2 – Prototype incorporating a Chinese 125 mm gun and autoloader, Western fire-control system, Perkins 1200 hp Condor diesel engine and French SESM ESM500 automatic transmission.
    P3 – Prototype fitted with Chinese 125 mm gun and autoloader, Western fire-control system, Ukrainian KMDB 6TD-2 1200 hp diesel engine and French SESM ESM500 automatic transmission.
    P4 – Prototype export variant incorporating German NATO standard 120 mm gun, Western fire-control system, German MTU-871/TCM AVDS-1790 diesel engine and Renk LSG-3000 automatic transmission.

    AL-KHALID is based on P3.
     
  8. flanker143

    flanker143 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    i was talking about china buying al khalids......

    anywaz thanks for the info.......
     
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  9. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    From what I gather--
    1. auto load Vs manual is not a major issue
    2. One of arjun's very ambiitous attempts and very problematic areas till recently has been the suspension- this has a huge impact on crew performance as well as gun accuracy. Arjun has better rested crews because it's easier & less rocky inside (especially if they throw in that AC) and can fire sharper because of both the rifled gun as well as suspension. Arjun has a HYDRO PNEUMATIC SUSPENSION Vs. Al Khalid's REVERSE TORSION BAR. There's a lot less cushioning in those tracks. Have you EVER seen Al Khalid do a high speed run on 3 foot high barrier filled roads- you can see that in almost every single arjun video.

    3. Al Khalid has major design problems with the way the crew, the fuel and ammunition stores have been placed. Apparently, any kind of hit would mean a high probability of all blowing up. In fact there seem to have been a lot of fire break outs in the 'in service' tanks, so much so that it created huge morale problems with the tankers. The sebsequent versions incorporated a new 'fire suppression' system to boost morale and confidence in the troops.
    4. ARMOUR: Arjun has one of the best armour in the world- there is NO INDICATION that al khalid even comes close.

    Arjun in NOT a HEAVY tank - it's just heavy for the Indian Army. The US army would have deployed an army of chinooks and rebuilt bridges aong the border for this kind of a machine- the IA JUST CAN't spend that sort of cash.

    The are few vehicles that have actually demoralized their users- al khaid is one of them. It's easily to portray something as being great but the reality has to be reckoned too.
     
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  10. chachachoudhary

    chachachoudhary Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Kid, it is always advisable not to post if you do not know anything. Show us a link to prove al-khalid II development and specifications. By making such ill-informed comments, you do not prove anything except degrading the level of discussion.
     
  11. Spartacus+

    Spartacus+ Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    If you don't know anything you can ask in a decent manner.(Lagta ha Tameeez nahi sikhae kisi ne).

    Al-Khalid II – In early stages of development and believed to incorporate re-designed turret, upgraded modular armour package and sensors, improved ammunition and new powerpack developing 1,500 hp.

    Al-Khalid tank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Pakistan Pushes Armor Upgrades - Defense News
     
  12. chachachoudhary

    chachachoudhary Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Beta pehle theek se kameez pehna sikh lo, Phir mujhe Tameez sikhana.

    Where does you links say
    ?
     
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  13. DaRk KnIght

    DaRk KnIght Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Funny one :lol: :tup:
     
  14. Spartacus+

    Spartacus+ Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    @Guynextdoor

    Yaar Arjun is heavy and over weighted tank if you remember Indian army specially purchased new rails to transport it can't be transported through existed Indian railway carriage.
    Here it is AL-KHALID intro video you can see all the stunts and look at the speed and mobility in desert.
    (Now we are producing AL-KHALID-I more advanced.)
     
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  15. Spartacus+

    Spartacus+ Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Main tumha Tameez nahi sikha raha yeh to tumhary parents ka kaam tha.
     
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