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Armed forces say no to advanced versions of indigenous 'Tejas', 'Arjun'

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  1. Zarvan

    Zarvan 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    The Arjun Mark II, during developmental trials in Pokhran field firing range in Rajasthan. (TOI File Photo)

    NEW DELHI: The armed forces have virtually given the thumbs down to the proposed advanced versions of the indigenous Tejas light combat aircraft and Arjun main-battle tank by strongly pitching for mega acquisitions of foreign single-engine fighters and futuristic armoured fighting vehicles through the 'Make in India' route under the 'strategic partnership (SP)' policy.

    The Army last week issued the preliminary tender or request for information (RFI) to global armament giants for an initial 1,770 futuristic tanks called the future ready combat vehicles (FRCVs) geared for "rapid dominance in an expanded battle space", while the IAF is getting set to do the same for 114 single-engine fighters soon.

    This comes in the backdrop of the defence ministry finalising the SP policy in May to boost the country's fledgling defence production sector, which envisages Indian private sector companies producing cutting-edge weapon systems in collaboration with global arms majors through joint ventures and technology transfers, as earlier reported by TOI.

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    The going will, however, not be easy for IAF and Army. For one, the annual defence budgets now have very little money for new projects with the bulk of the capital outlay being used for "committed liabilities" or instalments of deals inked earlier. IAF's single-engine fighter project, which will be a direct dogfight between the Gripen-E (Sweden) and F-16 (US) jets, for instance, will alone cost an estimated Rs 1.15 lakh crore.

    Also read: 'Make In India' projects come undone

    For another, the DRDO-defence PSU lobby is putting up stiff resistance, leading the government to question the need for the single-engine fighter project. "Questions have also been raised whether such a major project should be given to the private sector. Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), in turn, says it can deliver a much better single-engine Tejas," said a source.

    DRDO contends the forces continue to cold-shoulder indigenous platforms in their hunger to acquire foreign ones. Instead of ordering say around 500 Arjun tanks, which would have stabilised production lines, achieved economies of scale and paved the way for development of a futuristic MBT, the Army has inducted only 124 Arjun Mark-1 tanks till now.

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    Arjun tank display during the exhibition 'Science for Soldiers' organised by DRDO at Avadi in Chennai.

    The Army is not willing to order 118 Arjun Mark-II tanks, costing over Rs 6,600 crore, till they clear field trials. "The FRCV project, if it takes off, will kill the indigenous FMBT project," said a scientist.



    But all this cuts little ice with the forces, which say the DRDO-defence PSU lobby "over-promises and then under-delivers" with huge time and cost overruns. "Can operational military readiness be sacrificed at the altar of indigenisation?" asked a lieutenant general.



    IAF, for instance, says Tejas is yet to become combat-ready or achieve "final operational clearance" after being in the making for over three decades. "Moreover, with its limited range and weapon carrying capacity, the Tejas simply does not give IAF the punch and cost-effectiveness it needs. Tejas, which has just about 50% of the capabilities of an F-16 or Gripen in terms of endurance, payload etc, will have to fly under the protection of other fighters during conflicts," said an officer.




    Grappling with just 33 fighter squadrons when 42 are need to take care of the "collusive threat" from China and Pakistan, the IAF feels the single-engine fighter project is necessary to maintain adequate force-levels till an entirely new Tejas Mark-2 becomes a reality.


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  2. Zarvan

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    We know that we have professional armed forces. We are not like our western and northern neighbors, who can induct semi baked stuffs with lots of fanfare.

    Anyways, Arjun MBT is that which beats T-90 in performance and T-90 is that which can beat so called Al-Khalid.

    And about LCA rejection is nothing more than a bargaining tactics for RAFALEs.

    In between we're happy to see some jealous neighborhood.

    If we have such non-effective Fighting Machines that should make you happy but we always find that Pakistan armed forces found them as threatened by Indian Armed Force's Development.

    Be happy and take some chill pill.

    Did you know that India claimed that Agni-5 has max range of 5000km but you lord China said that it has effective range of 8000kms.

    We're not like you guys who praise their junks. We always downplayed our power but we always show it whenever it is required and you guys well understood that.

    Good Day
     
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    To understand the context of these articles, you'd need to follow the Rafale thread, the SE jet competition thread and the IAF Chronicles thread.
     
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    Propaganda article nothing much only idiots will fall for this.
     
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  6. Zarvan

    Zarvan 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    I love you man the way you under estimate your enemy is amazing and don't worry your forces who have rejected the crap your DRDO made knows How better our Tanks and JF-17 is you fanboys have habbit of living in fantasies your Armed Forces know the reality very well
     
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    Yup, our Armed forces knew that very well:biggthumpup:
     
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    Zarvan 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Really so you want to tell me reality is that India has inducted 500 Arjun Tanks by now and 80 TEJAS
     
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    We will induct 500 ARMATAS and 80 RAFALES
    in addition to F 16 s Block 70 Because we have MONEY :biggthumpup:

    You people are Beggars ; You can buy only JUNK
     
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    They are very brave and never afraid of lot of loans.
    They can buy anything available to them but with loans only..

    Reality is that you guys don't have high strength bridges which force IA to buy lighter tanks.:azn:

    Please improve your infrastructure..
     
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    stephen cohen Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Their economy is Going Down the Crapper very fast

    They will soon be bankrupt and Knock again on IMF doors with their KASHKOL

    KASHKOL is the Urdu word for BEGGING BOWL :cheesy:
     
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  12. Zarvan

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    Reality is no matter what you buy you don't have balls to use them that what reality is you failed to do anything after 2001 in fact you ended up loosing around 2000 soldiers without fighting a major war. Reality is your entire nation came out after 2008 Mumbai attacks but as your forces knew the kind of brutal response they would get from our hands they failed to do anything and after Uri it was height of your cowardliness that you resorted to lies and create a big fat lie of surgical strike and that too was responded by Pakistan by taking out your 18 soldiers in two months and twice entering your area and taking out your soldiers so please janab you have long history of failing to do anything
     
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    Zarvan 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    We have been hearing this crap for past 70 years still we have more weapons on order and making more in Pakistan than you are
     
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    Janab .. Stop sweating abt the arjun and the Tejas .... Even when we have the numbers, you will still say it is drdo junk .

    Worry abt your own famous inferiority complex ie your own tanks can't even start!

    30 PAKISTANI AL-KHALID TANKS BROKE DOWN BECAUSE OF FAULTY UKRAINIAN-SUPPLIED MACHINE OIL

    https://southfront.org/30-pakistani-al-khalid-tanks-broke-faulty-ukrainian-supplied-machine-oil/
     
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    LOL.... please tell us how many soldiers lost in your so called war in your own back yard??, you can't .... literally a state secret!... sad you own people and county have to be lied to everyday.
     
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