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Article 35A: Biggest constitutional fraud in the history of India

Discussion in 'National Politics' started by Levina, Oct 30, 2017.

  1. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    I think right now it seems that incorporating POK into India looks unlikely and the only way forward is to strike a deal with Pak government declaring the LOC as international border. For those negos to take place it is better that we don't do anything that changes status quo and makes the discussion more complicated/ controversial. We should keep status quo and strike the deal. A few decades after that decision has been digested by people on both sides we should remove the special status. Else, it is gonna be difficult for them to ratufy such a deal if the issue is made more controversial.
     
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  2. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    We cud have converted LOC in to international border in 1972 as per Shimla agreement but Pak backtracked. Now Its not possible for any party in India to do so. And the problem of these kasmiri separatists and Abdullah family will be sorted out only after we get POK back.
     
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  3. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    I don't think getting POK back is a realistic or even desirable option. Way back in 1971 all we had to think was the territory and Pak govt. The modern radical jhad is so rabid that adding POK means adding a population that is best kept out of the country than within. We should keep our Kashmir, let them keep their radicals. a deal on IB means they'll finally get enough incentives to cut off funding for those jokers.
     
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  4. Lion of Rajputana

    Lion of Rajputana Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Depending on electoral performance and political will, this is pretty straight forward.

    > BJP defends LS majority and gains RS majority in 2019.
    > Strikes down or works around 35A and 390 through whatever means necessary.
    > Large scale demographic change in Kashmir, specifically the valley:
    - Getting rid of every last Rohingya in J&K.
    - Flooding the valley with 3 kinds of Hindus: Poor laborers from the cow belt, Hindu refugees from countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh (who tend to be somewhat saffron and anti-Muslim due to their past experiences), and ex-servicemen.
    - Then once the situation is conducive, resettle the Pandits.
    - This time make sure that there is a serious military and gun culture amongst the Hindus of Kashmir, no more replays of the '90s.​
     
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  5. InfoWarrior

    InfoWarrior Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    I think recent claims over POK is just an excuse to stay out of OBOR. CPEC can also be routed from Afghanistan to Pakistan, POK is not vitally needed for CPEC.

    China also doesn't openly reject Indian NSG membership or Masood Azar at UN. So, India is similarly rejecting OBOR by citing CPEC through POK. After 1971 India vacated Bangladesh, Most Indians will sacrifice Security council seat to keep Rohingya out.
     
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  6. Lion of Rajputana

    Lion of Rajputana Captain FULL MEMBER

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    There's no question of taking back PoK if the population comes with it. The only way taking back PoK is even a remotely desirable option (if it ever even becomes feasible in the first place), is if the local population is killed off/driven away over the course of the war.

    The last thing India needs is even more hordes of radical Muslims. And these are arguably some of the worst kind on the planet.
     
  7. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Do you know what is the total population of POK and what is their religious mix, I mean Shia/Sunni? That population will counter the sunni islam of valley and will create space for BJP in hinterland of kashmir. We need that population to check sunni radicals.
     
  8. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    which was my point. We must be delusional in thinking we will get the land without the people- and some of the 'people' there are the type that makes bubonic plague look noble. The smart thing is to convert the LOC into IB and that deal will have to be 'sold' by pak govt to their people too. Easier for them to do if we don't add any controversial elements for now like removing status quo etc.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Leaving out POK is like gifting a life line to Pakistan. take over POK and Pakistan dies With that all the problems of Kashmir. Shias have never voted with Sunnis and this is what we need in Kashmir. The solution offered by @Lion of Rajputana alongwith this population hostile to majority Sunni population is what we need. majority of POK population is Shia.
     
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  10. Lion of Rajputana

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    Yea but the question is whether the Pakistani Army is willing to play ball in this regard. If you ask me, I'm tired of waiting on them and losing both Indian citizens, and valuable time/economic opportunities in the process.

    At this point I think India should stop wasting its time waiting on the Pakistani Army (whose ideological core likely cannot even be reconciled with any sort of peaceful resolution to the Kashmir or Indo-Pak conflict); and just go ahead and settle this unilaterally. Meaning, fortify the border and go to work on crafting a favorable demographic in the valley. Turn the Muslims of the valley and Kashmir into a microscopic minority, and treat them like one.
     
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    Do you by any chance have an estimate on what the ethnic and religious (sect-wise) breakdown of the PoK population is? Didn't Pakistan engage in pretty heavy demographic change there over the years?
     
  12. vstol jockey

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    yes Pakistan did try to do that but the local population which is originally Kashmiri knows who are the outsiders. the day Indian Army marches on any town of POK, the people settled from outside will run away or will be butchered by the locals.
     
  13. Levina

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    @vstol jockey is right.

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    https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/924951036648873984
     
  14. kaku

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    Wah kya logic hai.

    Aisa roj he karte ho , ya aaj naya din hai?

    Do you even understand meaning of constitutional legality? We are nation of laws, and everything come under a framework.
     
  15. InfoWarrior

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    So poor labourer Hindus are beasts of burden ? Their life is as precious as pandit's life. To do all this as you mention, India needs to be a dictatorship. To make India a dictatorship you need goodwill of all Hindu tribes. Without goodwill BJP might even lose.
     

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