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Article 35A: Biggest constitutional fraud in the history of India

Discussion in 'National Politics' started by Levina, Oct 30, 2017.

  1. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    BJP will do no such things. Please recall that Modi is but a single guy. And also, the genesis of BJP. The core values remain the same.
     
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    That is the aim. We have to break the Pakistani Army, which is fighting to maintain it's perks and privileges. Any action at the behest of ISI and PA has to be isolated to these two organisations only. The population of Pakistan has to be given an incentive of peace and prosperity that is how you kill the conflict. The enemy is the conflict, not some Pakistani struggling for daily bread or some Indian doing the same


    But alas, dumbos on Indian side do not get it. Baying for Blood for acts of Pakistan Army and vitriol against Pakistan and Pakistani population is stupid. Recall the cries of sheer pain on this very forum when I said that respect to PA dead will be given here as they are soldiers.

    Only if the majority of members stop being idiots and understand the aim!
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    Not grab power, but to undermine a determined civil establishment first under Nawaz and now still under his party, to re-establish the civil supremacy by strengthening the economy. CPEC has been a deliberate action 'supported' by PA to exactly undermine this very thrust, it weakens their local industries, undermines agriculture, pushes Pakistan into greater financial insecurity and allows Pakistan Army to shift the blame on Civil Government, enjoy the support of a grateful 'iron brother' in terms of weapons and arsenal and allows them to project as the true saviour of the Pakistani State, their ultimate aim to ensure they rule in proxy.
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    Incorrect.

    Those will be highly vulnerable to jihadist takeover. You have a strongly radicalised society to factor in, and weak economic parameters. Somalia? What seems to be the problem?
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    And who will pay the costs on Indian Society? Do you even understand the effect on India from an unstable region in near proximity?
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    Sigh! And I was impressed by your posts till here :(

    What do you mean by any cost? What is the fall out of a 'dismembered' Pakistan? How do you undertake conflict resolution thereafter? Another member, @Himansh Pandey, was exactly on this line.

    What are the costs that India will have to pay? Can you elaborate?




    Wrong. China has been able to access a market which will forever be defunct thanks to the military making sure that the society remains under developed/below par for it's own reasons ( to undermine civil rule). The port was a cherry topping. Are you aware of the road existing in Northern Myanmar wherein they can actually rapidly move divisions into North Eastern States over and above Arunachal Pradesh at whim? Are you aware that they have access to port at Myanmar?
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    Please note this statement. I shall revisit it subsequently.


    Let me address this as under:

    1. Kargil - evenly balanced as topography will make rapid and extremely fast paced and economic (time and resource criterion) operations impossible to carry out. Status quo.

    2. Gurez - Western Gurez - we handed over the ridgeline of Durmat, where LC passes, to Pakistanis on platter in 1948 (and they have tremendous advantage there both tactically and strategically (they overlook the main road into the Gurez Valley which connects it to Bandipore right upto Tilel Valley)., along with it few posts which were under us ( I will not name them) in 1973 when we withdrew for winters. Eastern Gurez - the altitudes are higher, topography is rocky-sandy bereft of trees and vegetation. Affords excellent range of surveillance and arcs of fire for a defender. So .. sigh!

    3. Tithwal - relative

    4. Uri - yes. That is one place where we actually can do a lot of damage.

    You can add more sectors/subsectors if you want.


    What strength and what time frame do you envision for this?


    And we got hammered everytime here - 1965 and so was 1971.

    The Strike Corps will be floundering here, don't expect much to move here.

    Chinese may intrude into Indian territory (as we claim our territory to be, yet never go there as Chinese go there) and that may tie up our resources.


    Second point where you have come much closer to the actual thinking in Indian Army.


    Now we go to the first statement - where is the time? 10-16 days? No one will get. 4 Days. Maximum a week, before either we back down or are to start nuking them.
     
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    Suggest visit the concerned area - which you have mentioned. Let me know the state of defences.
     
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    Oh, that is a given. Why do you think we are wasting time?
     
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    Are you basically suggesting that if a conflict lasts more than a week it'll go nuclear (by which I assume you mean Pakistani use of TNW's sparking a chain reaction)?

    Would the Pakistani Military really risk losing their own lives and their vast business empire over a conventional conflict lasting little more than a week?
     
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    What will our response be for such a move?

    Is this area in Akshi chin?
     
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    I would love to buy land there and settle down. Along with a M4 and a Barrett ... of course legally and would be happy if am given import exemption, will even buy my own ammunition :D
     
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    Is this something India has factored in, is there a plan to blunt any such move? Or is it a serious potential weak point?
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    Their 'move' towards employment of a nuclear device ... mind you, the security assessment at that time will deteremine Indian reaction - retaliate, execute own strike to 'decapitate' the threat (our nuclear doctrine clearly states '......that use or threat of use......') or simply ignore and move on, or a conventional strike in conjunction with other powers with similar interests (to prevent nuclear confrontation/escalation and disarming the Pakistanis of nuclear options by both conventional and electronic/cyber means).

    The above will by itself force majority of countries to start with political and diplomatic pressure on India (political by means of proxies like CPI, Congress {they did denounce nuclear tests under Vajpayee and sent delegations to South Africa and China to distance themselves and condemn Vajpayee}) and Pakistan within hours of build up, leave the conflict.

    Oh, the situation is different. Will India be willing to risk anything ... that is the question! :D
     
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    Depends on when and if it takes place.

    I do not have time .. otherwise would have written up on Special Forces and their foremost role in a future Indo-China conflict (if at all) - on both sides. Suffice to say, SF remains an option one needs to factor in, Of course, we have an Infantry Division for that contingency, and whole plethora of Assam Rifles, officered by Army Officer and organised like Infantry Units, with more men and better weapons :)



    Everywhere - Aksai Chin, Sugar Sector, Uttarakhand, Sikkim, Arunachal ....
     

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