Attack Helicopters of IAF - Light Combat Helicopter (LCH), AH-64D Apache : Updates & Discussions

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    The design of third prototype of LCH-TD3 is under final stages incorporating all the feedback from development flight testing of other two prototypes: TD1 and TD2. In order to assess the impact of design changes on cockpit, a mockup has been fabricated and completed on January 16,2013 at RWRDC.
    Specific features of TD-3 as compared to the earlier prototypes are : reduced cockpit length (226 mm) and height (60 mm), improved door configuration, vision optimization with modified perspex area, modified door locking and Jettison mechanism, modified rudder pedals for gunner and rationalized switches and switch panels.

    Nearly 50% of the parts and assemblies on the mockup have been built using Rapid Prototyping technology which enabled the build-up of the mockup within a time frame of three months. The mockup would be evaluated by HAL pilots and customer pilots for ingress/ egress and other ergonomic aspects.

    The evaluation of the Cockpit Mockup was c o m m e n c e d i n presence of Shri P. S o u n d a r a r a j a n , MD(HC), Shri M.S. Srinath, ED(HC), Dr. M.Vijayakumar, Offg. G M ( R C ) a n d Gp.Capt.(Retd.) Hari Na i r f ro m F l ig ht Operations (RW).

    HAL Showcases LCH TD-3 Standard Cockpit Mockup | idrw.org
     
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    clarification regarding the procurement of apache attack choppers

    IAF, not Army, will get Apache attack helicopters: Govt | idrw.org

    The Defence ministry Has rejected the Army’s Case for “ownershipâ€￾ of the 22 Heavy-Duty Apache helicopters, Armed with Deadly Hellfire and Stinger Missiles, Which India is All set to acquire from the us in a $ 1.4 Billion Contract.

    The MoD , citing defence minister AK Antony’s approval, has held the 22 AH-64D Apache Longbow gunships Will “REMAINâ€￾ with the IAF Because the Procurement Deal was an “ongoingâ€￾ one, Which did not Fall into Category of “Futureâ€￾ Acquisitions, said Officials . The Army Has Been eyeing the Apache helicopters, That Earlier defeated Russian Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant’s Mi-28 Havoc choppers in the Field Trials Conducted by IAF, for Which the Final Commercial Negotiations are now underway Between MoD and Boeing.

    Antony Last Year was Compelled to step into the bitter turf war raging between Army and IAF for years, which publically erupted even during the 1999 Kargil Conflict, over the ownership of Attack helicopters. HAD The minister then Decided That “Futureâ€￾ procurements of Attack helicopters Would be for the Army since the Force contended IT desperately needed the gunships to target Enemy infantry and Tanks on the Ground. But IAF argued IT Should be allowed to retain the All-Attack and Medium Lift helicopters Because IT Would be “very expensiveâ€￾ if the Army and Duplicated Efforts resources by getting its own “little air forceâ€￾. The “command and Controlâ€￾ over IAF’s two existing Mi-25/35 Attack Squadrons of helicopters was in any Case in the hands of Army.

    After MoD said the Army Would Also Get ITS Own Attack helicopters to Resolve the Imbroglio, the Force HAD Laid claim to the “ownershipâ€￾ of the 22 Apache helicopters as well.“But the procurement process for the 22 Apache helicopters Began much before the Decision About Giving Army Future ownership of such inductions was Taken,â€￾ said a MoD Official. An Army Undeterred, however, chalked out Plans to have ITS Own “Miniâ€￾ Air Force in the years ahead. Apart from creating a permanent cadre for the Army Aviation Corps, the force is raising “aviation brigadesâ€￾ for each of its three “strikeâ€￾ and 10 “pivotâ€￾ Corps.

    Currently The Army operates 195 Chetak / Chetak light observation helicopters as well as 70 Dhruv advanced light helicopters. Its long-term plans include three helicopter squadrons (10-12 choppers each) – armed or attack, reconnaissance and tactical lift – each for all its 13 corps as well as “a flightâ€￾ of five fixed-wing aircraft each for its six regional or operational commands.
     
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    HAL LCH TD-3 Update

    According to sources close to idrw.org, HAL is planning to have first flight of LCH TD-3 somewhere in October this year; Mock up of TD-3 cockpit was fabricated earlier this year in February and feedback has been taken from IAF and Army pilots for changes to be made to cockpit and suggestions for further improvements to it .

    TD-3 will be lighter than its predecessors and will feature reduced cockpit dimensions, improved cockpit vision, modification to door and door locking mechanism. TD-3 will be final configuration in development of Light combat Helicopter (LCH) by HAL and all the feedback by IAF and Army will be incorporated in TD-3 before it goes into production.

    Once TD-3 is ready along with TD-2 will join weapons trials, HAL also plans to conduct second round of Hot and cold weather trials in 2013 and 2014. According to sources once TD-3 joins test flight, IOC can be achieved by September 2014.

    HAL has a firm order to deliver 65 LCH to the IAF and 114 to the Army. The LCH second prototype, TD-2 completed sea level trials in July 2012 last year, trials covered helicopter performance, loads measurement, and handling qualities. About 40 % of the ALH systems are incorporated into LCH, which includes transmission systems, rotor system, propulsion and some electrical and avionics which will reduce cost of LCH and will be easier to maintain.


    HAL LCH TD-3 Update | idrw.org
     
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    Sept 2014 for IOC,

    Still better than LCA :troll:
     
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    Surprised at one thing //HAL has a firm order to deliver 65 LCH to the IAF and 114 to the Army// IAF and Army have to take care of large Boundries. Why such a small order? They should understand that for such small orders HAL will not set up large assembly lines and will not contribute to future assembly lines. Orders should be in 1000s in order to take the benefits of production at large scale which will reduce costs also so that once for all HAL or other govt or private company setup large assembly line, which can be used for future aircraft assembly lines as well. What india is missing is a large assembly lines. Indians should visit US or other countries and see their manufacturing/assembly lines then their eyes will open.
     
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    Sancho,
    is the 1st config. possible? LCH carrying 8 ATGMs?
    everywhere it is said that LCH can carry only 4 ATGMs or 4 AAMs along with rockets. Rudra also carries only 4 ATGMs.


    also doesn't LCH need a radar system for anti-armour roles, to effectively attack from a distance beyond the reach of MANPADS?
     
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    LCH is rumoured to have radar SAR to be specific... Mounted on top of it's rotor.. I don't know if you remember but [MENTION=208]Guynextdoor[/MENTION] said he saw something like that in Hal facility in Bangalore
     
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    If it's on top of rotor, then it's unlikely to be a Surface Aperture Radar, and more likely to be a Fire Control Radar.
     
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    Why can't a sar be a fire controlradar... The rotors rpm should've goodenough to givefire control abilities...
     
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    Working principal of both of them are different.
     
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    Resolution will be far too low, and SAR is generally used in terrain hugging platform to make a high resolution image on the terrain, mainly cruise missiles.
     
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    I really doubt that. none of the article on the net suggest it. we have seen no pic of LCH with top-mounted radar.

    and why SAR? Longbow is top mounted FC radar. it has a range of 8kms. enough for anti-armour roles.
    http://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabilities/LONGBOWFireControlRadar/Documents/longbow.Another forum

    I assume it generates pretty high resolution imagery.
     
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    Yeah boys, I did see something :) . Burnt the hell out of my cornea because the helo was flying into the afternoon sun, but i'm sure there was a protrusion on the top. I had shown example of the Tiger.
     

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