Attack Helicopters of IAF - Light Combat Helicopter (LCH), AH-64D Apache : Updates & Discussions

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    Jet Li canceled it because it isn't a critical project yet.

    The IL-78 doesn't compete. But since then the Russians have introduced the IL-476 and Boeing also wants in. Now Airbus will have real contenders to deal with.

    Modi wants Airbus and Boeing to compete to get Indian deals and setup MII projects for pretty much all their major programs, military and civilian. Boeing and Airbus have already started talking about producing smaller 50 to 100 seater jets before scaling up.

    So all these military deals are an incentive. India will soon become one of the largest consumers of passenger jets. So Modi wants to source these jets from Indian factories.
     
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    What would be the point? So far India has ordered close to 200 Mi-17 V5s off the shelf from Russia (with over 100 delivered so far), at most another 70-80 V5s are required to fully replace all legacy Mi-8/17s but the bulk of the requirement has already been filled off the shelf, is it economical to go for V5 MII now?

    V5 MII is a HUGE lost opportunity thanks to UPA.

    There are at least 3 for the IN:

    NLUH- (logically Panther/Mahindra)
    NMRH (10 ton- logically S-70B/TATA)
    NMRH (12 ton- logically H225M/Mahindra)

    So not sure where Reliance can go, maybe their close business ties with Russia will get them V5 MII if it happens?

    That would be historic news (but perfectly logical).
     
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    More than a little ambitious, there are no Airbus (airliner) factories outside of Europe and no Boeing (airliner) factories outside of N.America, they may have India as part of their global supply chains but final assembly is an entirely different matter.

    Either of these giants (Airbus or Boeing) setting up a final assembly line in India would be a collossal win.
     
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    Presently having just 6 AARs (realistically 3/4 at any one time) for the world's 4th largest airforce (with 30+ fighter SQNs, maybe 20 will have a/c with IFR capability but this is going to expand massively in the next decade) and a Navy with 3 SQNs of fighters (all with IFR capability) doesn't make getting addtional IFR assets critical? Wow.
     
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    But Indian market's potential is bigger than US and Europe combined. It's up to them really. Otherwise even they will have competitors in Sukhoi and even China.
     
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    Airbus has a factory at tianjin China. So, if it needs Indian orders it should comply with Indian demand.

    The best way to pressurize both Boeing and Airbus is govt should combine the orders of all the airlines operating in India and then negotiate with the company who is ready to invest in India for a final assembly of the Planes along with ancillaries.
     
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    Could never work(IMHO), the airlines would never play along.
     
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    Would definitely work with full confidence and not opinion:

    1) if govt gives tax sops (on import duties and operational taxes). &

    2) govt's assurance that if negotiated for combined bigger order from all the companies combined and both Boeing and Airbus vying for that huge order will force them to lower price for both planes and spares and servicing for long term requirements.

    3) to lower the costs both these companies or any company willing to take a dip will have to invest in local plant and make India a hub to assemble planes and source parts for world over and can become a win win for India and the company ready to invest. Again govt can offer tax sop to the company that invests in India and penalize the one not opting to invest by raising import duty on planes.
     
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    You started doing drugs again?
    On a more serious note, Investment in Indigenous products is the only way forward in Aerospace. No major foreign power will set up final assembly pLANTS in India
     
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    Sorry but even I stated that the LUH uses 1U engine? Shakti is the designation for the Ardiden 1H1 version developed with HAL for Dhruv/LCH. Ardiden 1U is nothing but a derivative of it. An example from Commercial aviation is the GE90 engines that power Boeing 777-200LR and 300ER. B777-300ER uses GE90-115B and B777-200LR uses GE90-110B. The engines are too similar and hence shares the same name.

    Agreed Arriel 2B is not currently manufactured in India, but are you saying that Arrius is currently manufactured in India? Since both are currently not manufactured in India, is it a valid argument? Arrius and Arriel are in no way related to each other and are from two different categories. Where as the Ardidien 1H1 and 1U have a huge commanality factor to boast of.

    In the under 1,000 shp engine market range, Safran Helicopter Engines has developed the Arrius family (450 shp to 750 shp) and the Arriel family (590 shp to 990 shp), its "bestseller". These engines are intended for single-engine and twin-engine helicopters between 1.5 and 5 tonnes.

    http://www.safran-helicopter-engines.com/helicopter-engines/engines-1000-shp

    In the 1,000 to 2,000 shp engine market range, Safran Helicopter Engines manufactures three major engine families: the TM 333 (900 to 1,100 shp), the Arrano (1,100 to 1,300 shp) and the Ardiden (1,400 to 2,000 shp). These engines are intended for single-engine and twin-engine helicopters between 3 and 8 tonnes.

    http://www.safran-helicopter-engines.com/helicopter-engines/engines-1000-2000-shp

    Good Day!
     
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    Qatar, India, Italy purchase Raytheon Stinger missiles

    WASHINGTON, Dec. 29 (UPI) -- Raytheon has received a $207.9 million contract to produce Stinger missiles and supporting equipment for foreign military sales to Qatar, India and Italy.

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    The contract covers production for Stinger FIM-92H Block 1 missiles, FIM-92F Block 1 missiles, spares, captive flight trainers, and other training devices. Work is set to be performed at Raytheon's facility in Tucson, Ariz., and is expected to be complete by April 30, 2020. The company received all funding at the time of the contract award. The Army Contracting Command in Restone Arsenal, Ala., is listed as the contracting activity.

    Raytheon's Stinger Weapon System, designed to provide war fighters with superior air defense, is operated by four U.S. military branches and more than 18 other nations. The Stinger is equipped with a re-programmable microprocessor for tracking threats. In addition to air defense, the weapon has also been integrated with rotary-wing aircraft for air-to-air engagements.

    http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Se...hase-Raytheon-Stinger-missiles/4731483020990/
     
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    How about a Naval version of LCH with following features
    1) Wings foldup
    2) Rotor blades & tailboom having a power folding mechanism
    In such low space config, a staging number of LCH can be on Aircraft carrier in support.

    Like Japanese mini helos carriers, imagine a Indian helo carrier with packed-up LCH can be a great asset, both for submarine hunting off west coast & incase of any conflict, really smash up all coastal defences with a barrage of LCH, to practically help clear all defences in Baloch & sindh for its breakup, over multiple sorties first ocean/sub,coastal defense & finally inland. Be another piece of great force multiplier in helo carrier in foldup mode.

    Just out of curiosity, why doesnt Indian navy have any Helo carriers in its strategic plan for blue water naval force projection?
     
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    They wouldn't operate from carriers but LHD/LPD. The IN first needs to get serious about having their own marine infantry force.
     
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