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Attack Helicopters of IAF - Light Combat Helicopter (LCH), AH-64D Apache : Updates & Discussions

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  1. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    There is a plan for attack helicopters for the navy. It's just not high on the priority list.
     
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    debspark90 FULL MEMBER

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    Are there any such plans for a sizable amphibious like force of IN on the lines of USMC ?? All we have are the fleet protection group, VBSS and the MARCOS.
     
  3. LonewolfSandeep

    LonewolfSandeep 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Was referring japanese ASW carriers like the Izumo-calss Helicopter destroyer but for not just ASW role but multipurpose role

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    u can clearly see 2 lifts & lower platform storage
    It carries 28 heli, with 7 ASW & 2 SAR role.

    But with our sleek LCH can definitely fit more with wingfold up & Rotor blades & tailboom having a power folding mechanism.
    Another point if u use Lifts for helipad role too or area around it, can practically use double storage capacity, as now u can prob line up folded up helo in one side on top. So u can easily carry & operate with 48 helos one such platform

    Anyway point was LCH in folded up format would work best with such an Helos carrier, especially in our west sea.
    Navy has marcos and other, so why not Helo carriers for a blue water naval force projection.
    (I call them all part of naval assets, others can call marcos/helo carriers as infantry, personally i think by definition u just get lost in argument on technicality, but can anyone deny force multiplier effect for navy & deny we dont have a genuine need for 1 such platform in our western front) All the more required if heading towards theatre commands.
    ofcourse lch might have to sacrifice, high altitude(not required in sea warfare) for bigger drop tanks for extended ASW sphere of influence.

    And if Japanese have best active submariner warfare system, we should learn from it.
     
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  4. LonewolfSandeep

    LonewolfSandeep 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    With final standard frozen, HAL’s LCH to enter limited series production in 2018
    February 8, 2017
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    HAL has confirmed that with LCH TD4, LCH airframe design has been frozen and HAL has been working on the Limited serial production of the Light Combat helicopter (LCH) soon.

    As per Industrial sources, HAL has started to work on 5 Light Combat helicopter (LCH) which are of Limited serial production standard and first squadron will be ready by 2019.

    HAL’s LCH are currently undergoing integration of ATGM – anti-tank guided missile to demonstrate its capability while DRDO developed Helina ATGM is yet to enter production.

    LCH has been fine tuned by Indian air force and Indian Army pilots who have been specially deputed to LCH Program. IAF and Indian Army combined have placed initial requirement for 179 Light Combat helicopter (LCH) with Indian Army set to become the largest operator of the LCH fleet with orders for 114 units.

    LCH is specifically developed to operate at high-altitude and already has carried has proven its capability to land and take off from Forward Landing Base like Siachen.
     
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    Butter Chicken 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    what is the need of multiple helicopters of same type- Chinook,Mi-17,Kamov and IMRH.Better to conserve funds for the indigenous program
     
  7. Ripcord322

    Ripcord322 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    IMRH can be seen as a replacement for the Mi-17...They have similar numbers...


    The CH-47 Chinook is a different beast all together...It is much heavier much powerful and can carry much more...


    Kamov on the other hand is a very very light utility chopper...
    The Kamov baffels me...

    If it were to be a stop gap measure till the LUH then there would have been fewer orders...

    The LUH is comparable to the Kamov....

    The Kamov is to be produced by Reliance In India....So I guess they had a big hand in this order...

    I might as well be wrong...The Kamov might have some speciality or a very specific special ability...

    @Abingdonboy
    Brother...Where does the Kamov score over the LUH
     
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    shaktimaan 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    chinook is heavy transport heli and its equivalent helicopter is mi-26 not mi-17 .....imrh and mi-17 falls in same category but kamov is light weight ,small helicopter
     
  9. Abingdonboy

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    He mentioned 36+41 (77) new orders for ALH on the table.
    They all of different types though!

    Chinook is a heavy lift helo, there is nothing proposed by HAL/India that rivals this.
    IMRH and Mi-17 are medium class (10-12 ton), IMRH will replace the MI-17s
    Kamov is in light class (3 tons)
     
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    There is no tail rotor, saving fuel.. And area needed to land .. Especially useful in tough terrains with small landing space.

    Twin engine

    Versatile with multiple configuration..

    Performed better than other competitors but cost was little higher.

    These are that I can remember.g
     
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    bharathp Developers Guild Developers -IT and R&D

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    During the 1999 Kargil War, operations of Indian Air Force were hampered as the only combat helicopter, the Mi-35, couldn’t operate at extremely high altitudes where most of the conflict was concentrated.

    "The Mi-35 couldn’t even cross the Banihal pass. We were handicapped and badly needed a chopper that can even launch assaults at high altitudes,” (Retd) Wing Commander Unni Pillai, the chief test pilot of Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) reminisced.

    Seventeen years after the war, India has an indigenous combat helicopter that can carry out operations even at the 19,600-feet high Siachen glacier. Designed and built by HAL, the Light Combat Helicopter is the only machine in the world that can carry out operations at such high altitudes.

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    'Last year we successfully landed this helicopter at Siachen glacier, the only combat helicopter to do that in the world'.
    - Unni Pillai, (Retd) Wing Commander and Chief Test Pilot, HAL
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    Armed with a nose gun, rockets, air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles, the LCH is a 5.8-tonne class chopper, heavily armoured and engineered for combat. The helicopter has a state-of-the-art cockpit with day/night targeting systems for the crew including the helmet pointed sight, with the help of which the pilot can aim just by looking at the target. The LCH is fitted with a self-protection suite consisting of radar/laser missile warning systems and counter measures dispensing system (CMDS).

    “The machine can carry weapons up to 1,000 kg. In addition, we have a nose gun which can carry up to 300 rounds of ammunition of different type, penetrating or high explosives,” added Pillai.

    Pillai said the first limited series of 10 helicopters will be available to the Indian Air Force in the next four months.

    The first prototype helicopter had its inaugural flight on March 23, 2010.

    Commenting on the Make in India initiative, he asserted that the requirements of the Indian Air Force can only be met by aircraft manufactured locally.

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    We have a particular operating environment and we are the best people to make as per our requirement. American machines don’t have a requirement to operate above 10,000-12,000 feet. Hence to enhance our operation capabilities, it is important we make in our country.
    - (Retd) Wing Commander, Unni Pillai, Chief Test Pilot, HAL
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    http://www.defencenews.in/article/I...pter-is-a-state-of-the-art-Flying-Tank-250625
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    https://www.bloombergquint.com/tech...-helicopter-is-nothing-short-of-a-flying-tank

    take it with a pinch of salt? a truck load of salt? or simply too good to believe? is this true???? bloombergquint doesnt sound like a legit source for me!
     
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    thesolar65 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    I just read that in facebook post!:mrgreen:
     
  13. bharathp

    bharathp Developers Guild Developers -IT and R&D

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    oh wait.. he probably meant "the first OF the 10 LSPs to be handed over to IAP in 4 months.. " he forgot the "of" in there so it sounds like all 10 will be delivered in 4 months.
     
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    thesolar65 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Making a LCH takes less time or more than making a LCA?
     
  15. Ripcord322

    Ripcord322 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Finally...We will see Production....It took 6 long Years for Validation/Testing/Certification....The product better be ordered heavily now...

    Next time I hope they trim their time lines...
     
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