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Attack Helicopters of IAF - Light Combat Helicopter (LCH), AH-64D Apache : Updates & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by flanker143, Mar 16, 2011.

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  1. Agent_47

    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    What else, the same story. Undecided.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Clowns, bloody clowns playing at being professionals.

    Do these idiots not learn ANYTHING from mistakes of the past?
     
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    not unless pushed to the corner.. which is why, I actually like China pushing us towards a corner.
    also - keep the bloody congress out for another decade.
     
  4. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    And here we are again. :disagree:

    http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/arun-jaitley-10-key-drdo-projects-delayed/

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    http://www.news18.com/blogs/india/s...-armys-helicopter-inventory-10879-974550.html

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    http://www.ibtimes.co.in/hals-light...-towards-initial-operational-clearance-715872

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    http://www.janes.com/article/71423/india-successfully-test-fires-nag-anti-tank-guided-missile


    The same game on and on again...

    1) Our scientists promise capabilities and time lines they can't keep, but nobody cares since they won't be held accountable anyway.

    2) The politicians trust them and don't want to get called on importing more arms and techs. But are the first that will be blamed, if the scientists mess things up.

    3) The Forces suffer from non availability of requested products and then get blamed if they are forced to import, but still are expected to defend the country somehow.
     
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    sunstersun Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Catch 22 really.

    Domestic industry can't meet demands of the military > Import more arms denying resources to domestic industry thus. > Domestic industry can't meet he demands of the military > etc etc repeat.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Yup, this cycle needs to be broken and whilst it will hurt in the short term (delays and unmet demand), the benefits will be long term.

    This is why I think Uttam, Kaveri etc are all well worth pursuing
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Of course they are, but in a rational way!

    - get them fully developed separate from LCA, to reduce the risk of delays

    - integrate them to Mig 29K, to reduce Russian dependency and as a safe platform to start with a new engine

    - take the know how and experience after that, to field upgraded versions later on AMCA

    Steady learning, as suppose to DRDOs usual way of talking big and falling deep.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    More IA related, but since we have a dedicated combat helicopter thread, this might be the right place:

    http://m.economictimes.com/news/def...-fly-in-anytime-soon/articleshow/59994786.cms

    It's insane that we still don't have settled that issue and gave those helicopters to IA.
     
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    just to understand

    we have 22 on order for the IAF
    and 6 now for the IA

    Total - 28 frames

    Still scratching my head on the logistics here !!!!... wouldnt be better for one service to have them all ie the IA!?
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Firm orders yes but clearly many many more are coming for the IA (IAF's will remain capped at 22 IMHO).

    LOL, welcome to India bro! Petty inter-service rivalry has created this absurd situation- India will be the ONLY nation on earth that has identical attack helicopter fleets (Apache, LCH and Rudra) split between the army and airforce.

    This is what happens when you have an impotent leadership, the MoD should have intervened and told the IAF it doesn't have a monopoly on everything that flies, instead they have simply placated both sides and given both of them their toys.

    And some say there isn't a need for theatre commands in India!
     
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    Number seems too low for Army Order ..

    I hope it's not diversion of 6 out of the 22 that's ordered.
     
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    there is more to the issue than just inter service rivalry.
    the maintenance and support system that goes along with these machines is a bribe/kickback milking machine that no one wants to let go - neither the IA, nor the IAF. sadly, that still is a significant decider.
     
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    Likely the IAF Squadrons may be attached or transferred. Let's see how this plays out.

    It just does not make sense to have IAF send in their attack helicopters 'on demand'. I would rather have my pilots flying continuously with the concerned Armoured Division so that both the logistics, the area of operation, terrain and integrated air-land battle space approach is fine tuned and the synergy honed.

    Beats logic to have separation of attack helicopters under IAF since the concept of war fighting has shifted away from Defensive/Strike Corps to Strike/Pivot Corps long back.

    IMO, IA should be given the complete control over attack helicopters, even those under IAF. The Squadrons can be dedicated in their role and if IAF wants them with them, they can remain with IAF and be attached for all operational purposes with the concerned IA formation. IAF should be concentrating on Strategic Lift/Strikes, Air Dominance/Superiority/Interdiction and of course outer space warfare (Anti-Satellite/BM defence). The Army Medical Corps has the same approach, all Officers, JCOs and ORs are part of the Army Medical Corps, those who are in Navy are 'attached with change in uniform' without any financial implications. Same model can be followed if IAF is so keen on having Pilots for Helicopters.
     
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    Theatre commands are bad for India. It is not flexible.
     

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