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Attack Helicopters of IAF - Light Combat Helicopter (LCH), AH-64D Apache : Updates & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by flanker143, Mar 16, 2011.

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  1. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    No chance of that happening.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Yes they should be under IA but sadly there is no DM that has the guts to take on the forces and stop this nonsense (yet).

    The interesting thing here however is the low order for IA. Just 6 would not serve any purpose or even to set up the logistics. Moreover, the DPP usually includes an option of 50% more for the same prize, so MoD could have ordered 11 in addition to the 22. The question is why just 6? If they want to add more, such a low number doesn't make sense either.
    So a little digging brought this interesting article up:

    http://www.indiastrategic.in/2017/06/08/indian-army-set-to-get-apache-combat-helicopters/

    It seems like the DM cut the order in half, after clearing the optional 11 first. Also interesting that 22+6 = adds up to enough helicopters for 2 strike corps. So will the government divert the 22 to IA now, but cut the order to 2 squads in return?
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    That would be an interesting hypothesis bro BUT I have heard that the IA have been given a firm commitment of 39 Apaches (3 SQNs) 2 SQNs only would leave 1 Strike Corps without any. And in fact the IA are pushing for 50 (as they want to deploy 1 SQN to the East als0).

    Apparently getting 6 was a way of appeasing the IA so they could go ahead and commence training and creating the relevent infrastructure for the Apache before the larger deal comes. It was impossible to fulfil the entire 39 unit requirement through the orginal follow-on clause so a larger deal was always going to have to be pursued at a later date. This way the IA is satisfied and the bean counters to an extent also.

    The IAF simply isn't willing to give up its Apaches.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Could be, but then again, 6 would only be the trainer / spare helis for 2 squads, if the government wanted to give the 3 squads, they would have given them 9 trainers / spares to start training and logistics at all 3 strike corps.
    But the important point remains, that 11 were DAC cleared, not that it would be the first order the government scrapped again, afaik the optional Pilatus trainers, that were DAC cleared under Parrikar, won't come anymore and the crucial maintenance order was not fixed either. So don't be surprised if we get into training problems again.
     
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    A few days ago there were reports that the IA wouldn't get any Apaches, the fact they have been granted these units is proof they are still in line to get them- at some point.

    The 11-6 downgrade is weird but it could well be that they will be split into pairs, there's no reason that 3 units are required for training and 2 won't do- perhaps Boeing made a pitch that 6 could do the job for 3 SQNs whilst the larger deal is being formulated.

    Parrikar was quite clear no more PC-7s would come, it is thanks to him only that the HTT-40 project was kickstarted.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Earlier reports confirmed that each strike crops includes 10 attack helicopters per sqd, the other 3 them must be for training or spares.

    That's not correct, because the program was ongoing when he came in to office, thanks to approval from Antony. The only reason why, it gets ordered now, is the failure of IJT, otherwise it would had been scrapped and we would have seen the planned training path of PC7, IJT and Hawks. As I said, he even cleared additional PC7s, which Jaitley as it seems now, is not buying.
     
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    Interesting that the recent Apache Acquisition comes mere days after this esteemed newspaper said other wise. I would only consider this pointless buffoonery if Indian defense reporting is to be believed. Hardly anyone except Nitin Gokhale is some where near the truth. in fact they are miles away from it.

    So don't shoot when the Desi Journos are the source.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    There are several reports from May that 11 were cleared by the DM and later from June, that the procurement was in trouble. So it's not that easy to disregard.
     
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    Exactly my point.
     
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    And then a few weeks later DAC clears the purchase.....

    "reports" in the Indian media (especially defence) are notoriously unreliable and rely almost entirely on "unamed sources" and then they all just repeat what the other says verbatim.

    Actions speak louder than words, there's so much noise out there I wouldn't place any degree of confidence in any outlet no matter how many of them say the same thing.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    The 11 were DAC cleared too, so either they have cut the order from May, or this is an additional order, but there is no evidence that the option of 11 were taken.
     
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    freedom of expression

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    Schwifty 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    15 LSP's , 5 for IAF & 10 for IA after IOC...first LSP in 2018 or before..then remaining after FOC in 2019.
     
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