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Attack Helicopters of IAF - Light Combat Helicopter (LCH), AH-64D Apache : Updates & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by flanker143, Mar 16, 2011.

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  1. Gessler

    Gessler Mod MODERATOR

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    Will have to see if it's new type of launcher with 4 missiles instead of 2 (unlikely) or if just that both hardpoints will be fitted with the launcher (2x2 on each wing) in these tests.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    2 + 2 per wing, which puts it at the same level as Rudra. But these configs have no operational meaning, they only integrate them to all stations.

    The main difference between Rudra and LCH payload, is the fact that LCH should be able to carry 4 x ATGMs on a quad launcher, at the inner stations, while Rudras weight limitations, offer only the use of a twin launcher.

    Did I posted the mission configs for Rudra and LCH here, or on PDF? Too long ago. :undecided:
     
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    Gessler Mod MODERATOR

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    Won't hurt to post them again! :biggthumpup:
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    If I still have them, need to check the old PC and all the saved pics and PDFs back then.
     
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    ashkum2278 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    @Gessler @Sancho

    Are there any plans of integrating a FIRE CONTROL RADAR on LCH & ALH in the near future? Is any such development taking place? What targeting system will be used to guide Mistral missiles?
     
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    No, AFAIK.

    The nose-mounted FLIR unit can look for targets...but terminal guidance is provided by the Mistral's own Infra-red homing seeker.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Sadly not AFAIK, DRDO might be too distracted by AWACS India, but I would have liked to see an own version, instead of buying Apaches for sure. By the time we took to get thme, we surely could had developed something on our own or with the Israelis. Another field where China is ahead now.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Man that was fun going through the old saved pics, graphics, drawings and comparison again. :mrgreen:

    This one was from an Aero India presentation I think, where it shows that the weight limit per station of Rudra is around 170Kg:
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    Rudra / ASW Dhruv official weapon load config (possible payload for a certain station):
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    LCH official mission config (likely combo of weapons for specific missions):
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    And my old mission configs, to compare the actual difference in weapon loads, of Rudra, LCH and Apaches:
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    The main difference, is the weight limit of the weapon stations, that allows quad launchers, or larger rocket pods, but the actual difference is rather low.
    Rudra and LCH have most of the EW system integrated to the airframe. Some details here:

    http://indiandefence.com/threads/dhruv-alh-updates-discussions.5016/page-13#post-594926
     
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    Discussion on Apache for Army
     
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    LIGHT COMBAT HELICOPTER, WEAPONISED RUDRA TO START LIVE FIRING TRIAL OF FRENCH MISTRAL MISSILES

    The Indian chopper fleet consisting of a Advanced Light Helicopter and Light Combat Helicopter are set to be fitted with air-to-air missiles
    Final price negotiations for are on for the Indian chopper fleet and the first firing is expected to be conducted on an LCH by the year-end.
    The Indian chopper fleet is set to get teeth, with the defence ministry initiating the final process of ordering new missiles for the Rudra. Developers are also planning a live firing of the air-to-air missile on the Light Combat Helicopter (LCH) by the year-end.

    India presently has two indigenous attack helicopter programs – the Rudra (a weaponised version of the Advanced Light Helicopter) which joined service in 2013, and a LCH that is under development, and set to be in service with both the Army and Air Force. A total of 78 Rudras have been ordered, with 23 of them already in service.
    The Rudra is currently armed with only a forward mounted machine gun and rockets, limiting its operational role in the battlefield. The helicopter will now be equipped with new anti-air missiles that will make it capable of taking down enemy choppers and UAVs.

    The Indian Air Force—which is the lead agency for integrating these missiles on the Rudra—has called French missile manufacturer MBDA for final cost negotiations to supply the Mistral missile for the fleet.

    “The contract negotiation committee will start in a few days. We had to do work on a few items before, which is now complete. We are fully compliant with the chopper,” Loic Piedevache, Country Head (India) of MBDA, said.

    Little has been heard about the Rudra fleet in the past few years, but its presence at the Nalia airbase in Gujarat was revealed during Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman’s recent visit during which she inspected the helicopter.

    The entire Rudra fleet, a majority of which will stay with the Army, will be armed with the Mistral missile. Talks are also on to procure an anti-tank missile for the fleet that will be fitted at a later stage.
    The plan to develop a highly agile combat chopper under the LCH program is also set to get a boost with MBDA saying that the helicopter will be undertaking a live firing of the Mistral missile before the end of this year.

    The LCH – 179 of which have been ordered – is currently under development and the integration of the Mistral missile will be a major milestone.
    The Mistral missile will also be a major milestone for the Rudra. The LCH live firing will take place at the Chandipore testing range by year end and is expected to go smoothly as the Rudra and LCH share many systems including radars and the combat management system.

    Besides the Rudra and the LCH, the Army and the Air Force are also getting the Apache attack choppers that are manufactured in the US. Described as the ‘most lethal in the world’, six Apache helicopters were cleared for the army in August, in addition to 22 attack choppers already ordered by the Indian Air Force.

    https://theprint.in/2017/09/19/choppers-fleet-teeth-missiles/
     
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    Sancho why we went with both Rudra and LCH. Please help understand. I thought Rudra was stop gap till we get LCH.
     
  12. Sancho

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    Rudra is an armed version of the basic Dhruv, not a fully fledged combat helicopter, that was designed for that role. That's why LCH was re-designed basically from Rudra.
    Rudra can still do the transport roles of Dhruv, while being able to provide fire support as well if necessary. LCH is geared for combat alone with the tandem seat config, higher weapon loads.
     
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    he meant why do we still have orders for rudra when we have a dedicated LCH in the making.. (his understanding: rudra is a stop gap until we get LCH)
     
  14. Sancho

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    Well, as you said yourself, LCH is only in the making and not in production and as I explained, Rudra is not a combat helicopter like LCH, but an armed Dhruv. Both have different aims and therfore will have different orders, just as as you see AH6 or S60 armed versions, next to Apaches.
     
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    Army wants to order another 33 Apaches, I actually believe today is the deadline for the option clause before there is a price hike.
     

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