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Attack Helicopters of IAF - Light Combat Helicopter (LCH), AH-64D Apache : Updates & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by flanker143, Mar 16, 2011.

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  1. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    That's already done, MoD approved just 6 for IA, although the option was for 11.
    Just as IAF got 36 MMRCAs, instead of 126.
     
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    At-least they buyed something It took UPA More than half decade just to decide What to buy
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Apart from being completely wrong (hint evaluation process till shortlisting vs selection process since shortlisting, non compliance to RFP, MKI orders...), exactly the notion of buying "something" is good enough, is insanely naiv!

    Our forces have an operational requirement to counter 2 enemies at once in the worst case scenario. Neither 6 x Apaches for IA, nor 36 x Rafales for IAF will make a difference in that case. So either you give what the forces wanted, or give them a similar alternative. Making these kind of half hearted procurements, is not protecting the country, nor what the forces want (IA wanted all Apaches, IAF wanted a single type of MMRCA).
    When you want to blame the former government, you should have mentioned the lack of ATGMs for Rudra and LCH, but then again, we see no improvement on that side in the last 3.5 years either right?
     
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    truer words havent been uttered in a while
     
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    If They Not Make Difference Why IAF So desperate for further 36 contracts .

    Adding State Of art Equipment to the inventory Not make difference ???

    If you Really worried about numbers Even Numbers Stated for operational requirements Is not enough to meet china threat Let Pakistan aside

    What UPA Left them With legacy Mess up contracts what they achieved in 3 years was miracle In Procurement system Which is corrupt to core
     
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    Still Better than UPA Policy Of no procurement and political correctness after Bofors Jinn
     
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    While your Forcibly Shadowing there other procurement in Field artillery And Implementation of new policy Stop being So Pessimistic

    NDA in its 3.5 year tenure achieved more in defense procurement than UPA In Its Dark Age Of defense Procurement of 10 years

    this Is what Prominent defense journalist has say

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    The worst defence minister ever: AK Antony's tenure, the longest for a ...

    PS: Not Even Going in Nation security how they Fielded one security agency against other
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Yeah right, because we don't have cancelled tenders and carpet blacklisting, or massive delays in procurements anymore, oh wait..., we still have! :facepalm:

    Lol I bet you belong to the people that celebrate the aircrafts IAF and IN shows off at every Aero India and at the same time ignore, which DM procured them. :mrgreen:

    I promise I will make a recap of the procurements as soon I have some time and link you in the thread.
     
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    Well I belong to Category of people Who can block your Passport With click Of mouse :agree:
     
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    So two types primarily because they can be useful for other roles too?
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Not 2 types, but 2 different helicopters.

    Rudra armed utility helicopter (multi role)
    LCH attack helicopter (single role)
     
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    You do realise all those orders will go up once deliveries start and we are happy with the capability? Same with MKIs?

    Its a very high risk long term commitment. There is no point committing to hundreds of platforms at once after the TOT option got screwed during Antonys 10 glorious years.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    You do realise, that the MKI deal was for 140 fighters right? So we went to fill the IAF requirement first and latter added more, when the additional requirements came up. So let's not make false comparisons, for bad support of our forces.
     
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    The armed forces and their equipment comes from the people. The common man goes hungry while they get the best of the best.

    The Rafale with its high price tag is not the same as the MKI deal. The risk is probably the same financially even at lower numbers. Managing that risk is govt job.

    140 is an exception. We made smaller deals for M2000 and Mig29s etc initially.

    Rafale situation is not ideal but that is because of the MMRCA saga, not because lf this govt. IAF will demand 200 rafales but that does not make it right. The govt has to manage the financial risk. The IAF can not play victim now they were part of the MMRCA saga. Particularly when they know more rafales will be ordered eventually.

    Btw why dont u tell us what the govt should have done? The MMI option was out, then it comes down to how many we order in first batch right? Why 36 is such a failure with delivery years away anyway?
     
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    Which were not licence production orders, MKI was and MMRCA was suppose to be, that's why India lost big times, when the PM made a bad decision to buy a small number of fighters for high costs and low industrial benefits. In fact that bad decision, now forces IAF to induct 2 different tyes of medium class fighters, which increases the costs even further.

    But the point was, that our forces have a minimum operational requirement to do their job!
    You can't cut that down to 1/3rd and expect them to still be able of what is required from them.
    The minimum requirement of MMRCA was 126 and IA initially wanted at least the 22 Apaches (ideally 39), that replaces the same number of Mi 35s. So giving them 6 now, is just a marketing procurement, to say the government is doing "something", but it doesn't help IA!

    They should have either tried to get a deal from the L2, or re-issued a new tender right away for the same amount of fighters. Because only that gives IAF as well as our industry the benefits we wanted, at the lowest possible cost.

    An they should had diverted the 22 Apaches to IA and added at least the optional 11 too. That's what I wanted Antony to do in the past and that's what a government, that claims to want to do things better, should have done.
     
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