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‘Women equally responsible for crimes against them’

Discussion in 'National Politics' started by Himanshu Pandey, Jan 5, 2013.

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  1. Himanshu Pandey

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    “They (tribals) are in live-in relationship. Once a couple gets separated, the case goes to the police. Those are not rape,” says Vibha Rao, chairperson of Chhattisgarh State Women Commission

    Vibha Rao, the chairperson of Chhattisgarh State Women Commission, doesn’t agree that her views are a case of ‘blaming the victim’ but is emphatic that women are “equally responsible” for the sexual offences committed against them.

    The gruesome acts of rape and victimisation of women may have shocked many. But Ms. Vibha Rao says that women, influenced by western culture, send wrong signals through their dress and behaviour and men often take the cue from those signals. “Women display their bodies and indulge in various obscene activities. Women are unaware of the kind of message [their actions] generate,” she said.

    Ms. Rao’s focus is not the criminal nature of rape or the power relations behind it, but she believes excessive “display of body” by women influenced by western culture is the key. Ms. Rao, an advocate by profession and a prominent BJP leader in the State, says Bollywood with its film songs is adding to the cultural breakdown.

    Other reasons for sexual offences against women are ignorance of Hindu epics that teach values, proliferation of the Internet, and the breakdown of joint families. “Joint family system is disintegrating and hence cultural values are not inculcated in kids,” Ms. Rao said.

    Tribals in Chhattisgarh have little exposure to western culture. But there have been several well publicised cases recently when tribal women have been raped without the police taking any action. Ms. Rao does agree that rape figures in tribal districts of Chhattisgarh are not ‘readily available’ with the Women’s Commission, but she says, “They [tribals] are in live-in relationship and have consensual sex. Once a [tribal] couple gets separated, the case goes to the police. Those are not rape,” said Ms. Rao.

    Regarding alleged rape of the tribal women by erstwhile vigilante gang members in south Chhattisgarh, Ms. Rao said she cannot comment on ‘sub judice’ matters.


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  2. Vritra

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    Bullshit. The women aren't the only ones being "influenced by Western culture."
     
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  3. Himanshu Pandey

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    yes but the problem is only shit mouth gets the media attention...
     
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    Ms. Rao, an advocate by profession and a prominent BJP leader in the State, says Bollywood with its film songs is adding to the cultural breakdown.

    Yeeeppppppp....about time the BJP started showing it's true colors with moral arguments related to 'culture'

    Add this piece of wisdom from RSS top guy:

    In defiance of statistics, Mohan Bhagwat, chief of the right-wing RSS or Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), believes that rapes are an urban crime shaped by westernisation, and are not a matter of concern in rural India where traditional values are upheld.

    The RSS is the ideological mentor of the main opposition party, the BJP. Mr Bhagwat's remarks were shredded by activists and other political parties, but the BJP offered no criticism.
    Describing the controversy as "uncalled for", the party's spokesperson said that Mr Bhagwat "was referring to India's sanskar, tradition and value system where respect for women occupies a pride of place."

    In Assam yesterday, Mr Bhagwat said, "Crimes against women happening in urban India are shameful. It is a dangerous trend. But such crimes won't happen in 'Bharat' or the rural areas of the country. You go to villages and forests of the country and there will be no such incidents of gang-rape or sex crimes."He added, "Where 'Bharat' becomes 'India' with the influence of western culture, these type of incidents happen. The actual Indian values and culture should be established at every stratum of society where women are treated as 'mother'."

    "Mohan Bhagwat doesn't know either India or Bharat," said Brinda Karat, a CPM politburo member. "The largest number of rapes occur in rural areas on Dalits, tribals and rural workers. Such statements give confidence to criminals."
    Mr Bhagwat's comments come at a time when the death of a young medical student, who was gang-raped in Delhi, has impelled introspection on attitudes towards women in a country where a rape is reported nearly every 20 minutes.

    But in Madhya Pradesh, a minister in the BJP government demonstrated the proclivity among politicians to blame women for the crimes against them. "One has to abide by certain moral limits. If you cross this limit, you will be punished, just like Sita was abducted by Ravana," said the minister, Kailash Vijayvargiya. (Watch - Women who cross 'Lakshman rekha' invite trouble, says BJP minister)

    In his case, the BJP said it did not agree with his remarks and ordered that they be withdrawn. The minister acquiesced.
     
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    Another upholder of Indian culture from BJP

    After 'Laxman Rekha' warning to women, BJP minister withdraws remark

    Under duress, a minister in the BJP government in Madhya Pradesh has withdrawn his misogynistic remarks on women.

    "One has to abide by certain moral limits. If you cross this limit, you will be punished, just like Sita was abducted by Ravana," Kailash Vijayvargiya had said. He is the Industries Minister.

    By the afternoon, the BJP had made it clear that the party rejects his opinion. "The party asks him to withdraw the comment", said spokesperson Ravi Shankar Prasad.
    The minister then said that he had not intended to cause offense.

    His remarks added to the controversy created by Mohan Bagwat, the chief of the RSS, which is the BJP's ideological mentor. Yesterday, Mr Bhagwat said that that crimes such as rape "hardly take place in Bharat, but they occur frequently in India".

    You go to villages and forests of the country and there will be no such incidents of gang-rape or sex crimes. They are prevalent in some urban belts. Besides new legislation, Indian ethos and attitude towards women should be revisited in the context of ancient Indian values, " he added.

    The derogatory and deeply insensitive remarks come as the country debates the prevailing attitudes towards women prompted by the gang-rape and death of a young student who was sexually assaulted on a bus in Delhi. The introspection is in concert with a campaign to introduce new laws that provide tougher punishment for those convicted of sexual crimes.
     
  6. Star Wars

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    had a rather pathetic discussion on this on times now..felt like choaking all the 8 panellists and Arnab Goswami..these moronic news agencies still like making this a congress BJP issue...
     
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  7. Himanshu Pandey

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    A lot of make it political issue.......

    its a social issue and should be treated like that
     
  8. Guynextdoor

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    No- there is an idelogical dimension to this. The reason why it is ok to make it a political issue is because in the past the BJP has stressed on the need to revive the 'historical role' of Indian women according to 'Indian traditional values' (Ie kitchen etc.). They have also gone against girls wearing jeans etc. as it will 'provoke men'. What is needed is a complete end to those kinds of narraties.
     
  9. Himanshu Pandey

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    if its about historical role... then it depends which part of history one see... in Indus vally civilisation women were supiriour, in Vadic they were equal... letter their postion changed and only in last few hundred years it had been seriously bad....

    BJP too have some goons like diggy... who shit from wrong whole but not as overall BJP or Parivar go against women as they pray a woman(Mother India) and during from school days even now we speak shlokas in which women too are got praised in our morning prayers....

    IMO All Sangh parivar apart from these goons is very cruel on boys as they forced us to not only respect the girls(on which I am proud) but also force us to claim them as sisters and on all rakshabandhan it was a Nightmare for us(belive me... even I jumped school wall for saving myself from this sloughter of my heart)
     
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    I'm trying to decie if you are just wierd deliberately for the purpose of debate or completely insane...
     
  11. vstol jockey

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    Nearly all our politicians irrespective of the party suffer from foot-in-mouth disease.
     
  12. Foxtrot

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    can any one say what is the punishment for rape in western countries ????

    we love everything that is western style....and hate almost everything that is Indian style....then why not have western type law in India.

    plz do not take this post otherwise......i just dont support capital punishment for any reason.
     
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    Chemical castration.
     
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    I liked your post for the bolded part:rofl:
     
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  15. Himanshu Pandey

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    hey my every step is pre-decided and deliberated.... by the way why you thought this
     
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