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Balancing ties between Russia and USA

Discussion in 'National Politics' started by Averageamerican, Sep 18, 2012.

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  1. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Balancing ties between Russia and USA

    Balancing ties between Russia and USAIndia and the USSR had a strategic, military and economic partnership which was inherited by Russia after the break up of the Soviet Union.

    India was always the junior partner of the Soviet Union during the cold war and depended heavily on it for weapons, aid, industrial set up and diplomatic support in various multi nation organization including the UN where it was under Soviet veto protection.

    After the break up of the Soviet Union, Russia and India continued to share close relationship as in the soviet era. But Russia was beset by its own problems and a sharply declining economy. During the same period India starter economic reforms which put India on a fast track to growth. The period saw India opening up to the west as developing ties with the US which soon started taking shape of a strategic nature starting with the visit of US President Bill Clinton to India.

    Under George Bush, Indo-US ties reached newer heights culminating in the nuclear deal. India started to buy some high tech weapons platform from the US breaking the strangle hold of Russia in the field and expanding India’s options.

    India started developing problems with Russian supplies of weaponry with delays, sub standard spares and cost hikes. Russia lost out on the MRCA tender even though it was probably the cheapest fighter. Consequently Russia cancelled many of the joint exercises with India while India has in the last few years seen a huge increase in number of joint exercises with the US and having an understanding on patrolling seas lanes in IOR.

    There is a feeling of Russia being neglected by India as it found new friends in the west. Unfortunately Russia and India don’t share any common values or interests in the next theatre of global power play which is Asia. The US has already made its move to contain China and is wooing India to come on board and open to supply the latest military ware it has.

    Russia’s only relevance today in the world is based on its huge nuclear arsenal, it’s oil and gas and it’s seat in the UNSC. It’s economy is in a bad shape and it’s population has been on a decline.

    Yet, it is imperative for India to maintain strategic relations with the Russians and it’s India which will have to do the running especially with Russia and Pakistan trying to find an opening in bilateral relations. Russia knows only one language these days and that is of hard cash. India will have to set aside a decent amount of money for weapons purchase from Russia. This will keep the Russians from supplying any weapons to Pakistan which has to be prevented at all costs.

    India will have to look to develop joint projects that helps us utilize Russian scientific knowledge along with ours along with our increasing ability to invest money. This will help Russia in keeping its talent pool employed and help India learn from them and develop capabilities for the future. India has already done that with Brahmos and is doing so with the next gen fighter aircrafts. India could look to enhance this in the field of industries to develop machinery and other equipments which benefit in industrial machines, farm machineries and host of other areas that India lags in and can use Russian expertise and look to market it it across the world using manufacturing base in India using cheaper Indian labor.

    Russian energy resources remain an attractive prospect and India should look to look for investment opportunities.

    Space is area where India and Soviet Union and then Russia have cooperated in. This should continue and newer areas of cooperation should be sought an implemented. India already has one such in the area of satellite navigation.

    India’s trade with Russia is minuscule despite years of being friends. Newer ways to enhance trade has to be found from the $10 billion odd annual figure.

    India will have to work out a way to balance its strategic closeness to US with one with Russia which really matters at the end of it all.

    India must find ways to cooperate with Russia in any emerging security scenario in Asia. Afghanistan is one such region. Central Asia is another were Russia has considerable influence and with its natural resources forms an attractive area of cooperation.

    The other is Iran. Russia has been opposed to any kind of sanctions on Iran and this suits India as well. India and Russia can look to cooperate to find a resolution to the impasse so that Iran’s strategic location both as a gateway to middle east and into central Asia can be utilized not to mention its vast oil and gas reserves. India and Russia can look to create transportation corridors in these regions, Central Asia and Iran for trade and energy supplies and also be the security guarantor for the region.

    As India grows economically and militarily and enhances its network of allies and especially strong ties with the US, it has to take Russia along for both historic and strategic reasons
     
  2. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Instead of balancing ties with Russia, we shud dump them now. They have looted us and deserve no mercy anymore. We have paid them back with highly inflated third rate weapons buy. They must now forget about the age old relationship. Enough of carrying this burden of old relationship. We cant trust either of these nations but Europeans have stood by with us especially France and Israel. Even UK, the American Pooh, joined the band wagon of sanctions enforced by USA against us.
     
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    ^^ Right mate. I think Averagebro will agree with this one. So do I.
     
  4. chanakya1

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    brother,i agree that ruskies have fleeced us for a few deals in the past,but can u tell me a single veto holder nation that would go 2 any length to back us,i dont think so that US,UK would back India at a time of serous crisis(like a 2 front war with China&Pak),
    They would be the first 2 impose arms embargo in order to maintain the"stability in the region".We must learn from history(1998 embargo,confiscation of tejas technology when the DRDO team was in the US,denial 2 a US company to provide consulting for the landing problems related to tejas,(in 2007 or 2008) All these countries are till with u only till ur economy is booming and ur a market for their companies(both civilian and defence) the day we return to the pre 1990 era(i hope that never happens) we will be left on our own.I'm not against building relationship with the west in terms of defence,but this should not be done at the cost of the russia which has been our time tested partner.To put it mildly US,UK etc are like girlfriend who will give u lot of pleasures when ur rich,powerful but Russia is like an Indian wife who gives u lot of trouble on a routine basis(like snatching the salary,quarelling with ur mom,watching the stupid daily soaps and not letting u watch the cricket,sex only once a month) etc but would stand besides u when u r in trouble.Russia will never backstab u in a time of crisis like war etc but same cant be said for the other countries.
    Just my thoughts
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Do you know who is forcing us to stay with russia? The Americans. They shud call for reorganization of Security council asap so that we can get rid of russia and openly side with americans and europe. We need yes from russia and china so we have little choice and americans have always been fools.
    They are the ones who are delaying this reorganisation of SC.
     
  6. Manmohan Yadav

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    is the UN security council due to be reorganized ??????
     
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    I dont think the USA has that power, you all have to get over the idea that USA is god and can control everything.
     
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    It is due in 2012 and needs to be endorsed by majority. US, UK & France can do it together but each new member must have support of All permanant members and also majority of members of UNO. India now has support from all five members and also majority support of all UNO members but USA is not allowing the reorganization of SC. It has to now rise to be a seven/nine member body. China has opposition to Japan, germany also wants to be a member opposed by UK & France and so does Brazil and S Africa. Pakistan as usual is against us even though like stupids we supported them for the temp seat in SC last yr.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_of_the_United_Nations_Security_Council
     
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    we know US is not God ... n we definitely know that US is devils bed mate
     
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    India's bid for permanent member of UNSC is backed by permanent members namely France,[47] Russia,[48] United Kingdom[49] and United States,[50] although the United States initially opposed India's candidacy on grounds of nuclear proliferation, as India has acquired nuclear weapons and not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.[51] I dont think the US opposes India at this time but I might be wrong....why would India not sign the Nuclear Non Proliferatons Treaty.
     
  11. tangocharlie

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    Instead of talking about who sucks us or who is with us. We should have to deploy the good diplomats, you won't go to a war always. Instead we should have to make ties with each nation with our own interests and will put the only those deals through which we have benefits and learning. Its universal truth that a powerful always suppress a poor, so why show our weakness to them. Show only your power and capacity. As far as Russia is concern, we should not have to broke our so many years of relations. In fact we have to deploy the professionals and experience personnel while doing business with other countries. As a business is a business after all, the relations has no value when you are doing business. You purely thinking of your profits all the times, May it be US, West, or Russia. Good will and gestures have place in relationship and that should be continued with all nations except Pakistan and Bangladesh. These tow countries are sucks up with them and there policies. Being as a IT professional, its not in our interest to break our old relations on terms of new one.
     
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