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Baloch Freedom Movement

Discussion in 'International Politics' started by brain_dead, Aug 23, 2010.

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  1. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Indian involvement with the BLA was there from around 2003.
    Afghanistan has been supporting BLA since the 1970's and possibly 60's.

    No such movement can be successful without the support of the locals.
    And BLA like terror outfits will never gain support of locals.
     
  2. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    The real baloch movement is as Pakistani as other movements in Pakistan.

    They want the same things as us...

    Development, energy needs, education, healthcare, justice and law enforcement and so on.

    Only a very small number from a select background are against the state or the Pakistan army, and even smaller number are BLA supporters, and an even smaller amount are actually armed militants.

    These armed militants conduct bombings and killings in Balochistan. They are mostly war lords who want to enforce strict laws and feed off the feudal system.

    This is why the BLA will never be successful.
     
  3. DSB

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    i am also agains violence and using guns to fulfill ur demands...but it is not so easy as u are saying ....go and do peace demostration.
    they want a new leader who change their mentality and then guide them hoe to protest peacefully and yes a samrt leader also .

    fights never fought straight...its not a street fight, hope some one will chage theri stream and choos peacefull ways.
     
  4. DSB

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    trust me ...u must correct urself,indian is not involved with BLA,this movement is effecting only pakistan's internal conditions,indian army never use these ways...these ways like infiltration of militents are always used by pak army.
    u are in pakistan ....i know what ur leadership and people in power told u ....i alrready talked with other pakistani's...ur leadership\governemt always tell u that indian soilders are killing pakistani soilders in j&k ...this is totally false...and ur governemt has wiped ur mind,they have brainwashed u and make u believe on such fake incidents.u must raise above ur countries thinking and must understand the deepnes of these affairs!

    :meeting:
     
  5. Jungibaaz

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    Bro, no-one is innocent. but both sides use proxies.
    Their use goes way back to the seventies.

    I know what's truth and lies.
    and all the other shades of grey in between.

    Both sides use proxies.
    My side is actively aiding militancy in J&K.

    I was about to tell you the same thing, your army, government and media wont report it.
    But in Afghanistan Indian presence is aiding 3 anti Pakistan elements, the ANA, the FATA insurgents and the BLA.
     
  6. Adamkhel

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    This has worked in India and South Africa becuase they had great and inspiring leaders like Mahatama Ghandhi and Nilsson Mandela and because you had a "civilised" enemy. The case of Baloches differs in these two point because Pakistani are killing any potential baloch leader and for pakistani peacefully demostrations is just a sigh of weakness and they for sure identify all the organizer of these kind of demonstrations and make sure that they disapear as they have been doing for decades.
     
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    And in 80's your government used to support the so called NA and other islamic groups which are not so much diffirent from todays taliban.
    The influence of Al qaida and salafis have been always as well as the ISI-made version of islam which is using of the religion in any possible way for promting the interest of Pakistan.
    Ofcourse they are people who support taliban or the like groups within Afghanistan and for sure you can find people in any other islamic country who might support the taliban but this support doesn't come from our/their offical agencies like it is the case of Pakistan where military generals in pakistani army and ISI officials support taliban and other terrorist organizations.
    Wrong, By killing a talib one talib but not the idea of talibanism, we have to find a way to kill, dismantel the idealogy of taliban which has been created in pakistan and is feeded and empowered with the misinformation and lies spread by pakistani made mullas. We have to make sure that all madrassas which have been built in pashtun areas of pakistan to produce brain washed morons like taliban will be closed once for all and we have to make sure that any pakistani poltician and religious leader who are expressing their support and sympathy for taliban and other islamic fundumentalis groups should be eliminated (killed or jailed). This is the only way of dealing with taliban and their idealogy.

    But your war wont stop there, the Afghan taliban will remain largely unaffected.[/QUOTE]
     
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    i totallly agree with my afgani friend Adamkhel, that pakistani isi and army shot out leaders to crush the movement.smae they are also doing in jammu and kashmir ,they are targetting panch of panchayets,and yes madrassas are playing a major role in spreading and enhancing the idea of talibanism. they are using islam religion as their cover for terrorisom.because of such abusing of islam ...muslims are not getting that much respect what they deserve as a human in most of the countries.

    i also remember why taliban hate india...this started when afganistan denied the idealism of taliban and india supported the voice of afganistan against talibanism..after that taliban increases and pushes the al-quda movement and infiltration in JAMMU and kashmir...they want talibanism in j&k.
    i dont think without any international pressure on pakistan baloch will be succesfull.
     
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  9. Himanshu Pandey

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    nobody gets international support by showing guns... mahatma was not born great his desire for freedom of his nation has made him great... okk leave mahatma and mandela.

    in tusinia and egypt people had gone for peaceful ways and they had uprooted the dictators there... and syrians went for armed way and they are loosing support againt assad...

    balochistan can be free with only peaceful ways.. NATO is withdrawing if baloch start thier peaceful protest this is the time they will get all the access to world media and this will force pakistan to look into this thing seriously and with better judgement.

    the armed way of struggled has failed for last 60 years... there were not enough baloch to pick arms and neither enough arms for those who want to pick... may be they should try a new way for getting their goal done.
     
  10. Jungibaaz

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    They are very different.
    The mujahideen when originally formed weren't as radical as the taliban in the 90's and the taliban today are way more radical then even in the 90's.

    And yes, we supported NA too.
    Before both parties in Afghanistan turned on each other and before the NA started gaining ground and tried filling the power vacuum left by the soviets.

    What is this damn ISI phobia.
    Yes, ISI backed the Mujahideen, but we never instilled such extremist elements in Afghanistan.

    After t creation of the Mujahideen, only after Zia's death and only when they gained ground did Madrassas start showing up in FATA and Afghanistan.

    And the main source of extremism was not from Pakistan.
    It was in fact from Arab Wahabis and the CIA who hoped that by trying to add a Jihad call to the war, they could strengthen the resistance against the Soviets.

    Things like this:

    The CIA supplied hundreds of thousands of books to Afghan children.
    Designed and written by the university of Nebraska.

    These books taught children Jihad...

    The links for this in case you guys need one are from the Washington Post and Canadian broadcasting corporation.
    But are from 2002 and have expired. But I trust the site I found it from, other links work and I've used this site before.

    University of Nebraska

    An example from the the textbooks from Uni of Nebraska...
    Taken from a math book.

    - If out of 10 atheists, 5 are killed by 1 Muslim, 5 would be left.
    - 5 guns + 5 guns = 10 guns
    - 15 bullets – 10 bullets = 5 bullets, etc.

    Such vile work is not of the ISI.
    The ISI knew that introducing this into te region would impact Pakistan too due to the lack of enforcement of the Durand line and the open access and culture between Afghanistan and North Western Pakista

    We supported them then, we do not support them now.
    However, we will not go trying to fight them.

    This war is not our war, and we do not fight along side the invaders or the puppet government and jeopardize our future in the region.

    You say that the Pakistani establishment supports Al Qaeda and Taliban.
    This is the leis being fed to you.

    For one, Pakistani authorities have single handedly captured more senior Al Qaeda leaders than ISAF/NATO/US combined. Furthermore, we even supported your war for a while. We continue to give you supply routes, free of taxation for almost a decade. What sense does it make to support taliban and then support the enemy too?

    The way to kill talibanism to get your nation back in order, stop taking orders from inavders, educate your people and all of it will disappear.

    You conveniently ignored. the taliban are not Pakistani, they are Afghan, they fight there, they originate from there, they earn there. Where were they before 2001 in pakistan? Non-existent!

    What happens to them here is irrelevant,t hey fight in Afghanistan. And they wont rest until the former NA 'democratic' puppet government aren't gone.
     
  11. Jungibaaz

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    There is no freedom movement in Balochistan as such.
    There is BLA insurgency and there is also a feudal system desperate to keep it's hold, so war lords try to heat ethnic tensions.
    Then also, BLA has historically had support from elements inside Afghanistan and at times, the government there.
     
  12. Himanshu Pandey

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    jinna invaded balochistan in 1948... and thats why its freedom movement... the kingdom of kalat has been freed before India and pakistan.
     
  13. Jungibaaz

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    Bro, I've been through this debate before with other members here...

    The freedom movement is non-existent and even back then, there was overwhelming support for joining the newly found Islamic state.

    But anyway, here are the facts:
    (I posted somewhere a long while ago)

    Balochistan wont be 'liberated'.
    The average Baloch despises the likes of Bugti, Bugti's lot are all scum no better then the TTP.

    The Indian and American approach to Balochistan is wrong.
    They both fail to realise a few things...

    First of all, Balochistan should not be oversimplified, it is a very ethnically diverse.
    Out of the total of 8 million people in Balochistan, about 5 million are non-Baloch, including Pashtuns (40%), Brahui (20%) and a mix of Sindhi, Punjabi, Seraiki and Hazara. There's the the first mistake.

    Of the Baloch population of roughly 3 million, there are 150 tribes!
    Of the 150 tribes, there are 2 tribes that wage war against the state, the Bugtis (100,000) and the Marris (250,000).
    But within those tribes only a fraction are anti Pakistan and even an even smaller number are what is known as the BLA.
    Many Bugtis and Marris are pretty much integrated into Baloch Pakistani society. For example out of the 100,00 Bugtis, the Kalpar Bugtis have been targeted for not joining the rebellion, amount to almost 70,000 people of the Bugti tribe. They refuse to engage in the stupidity and feudalism of the likes of the BLA.

    The estimated number of active supporters and number of BLA or other militants/terrorists is somewhere around 2,000-3,000.

    Any calls for free Balochistan are made by those outside of Pakistan (those who don't know much about Pakistan or Balochistan) or the extreme minority of terrorists in Balochistan province.

    regards,
     
  14. Himanshu Pandey

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    kk but I had seen students in pakistani media who are asking for freedom from pakistan... those were living in pakistan... just for debate there is a chance that the pashtun will be with pakhtunwala belt and they will go for afghanistan rather then pakistan and I am sure bhukti and mari are not famous but there is a doctor too.. whom people are claiming to be very popular in baluchistan.. perhaps some of his group has tried in this election too.

    what about them.
     
  15. arun.id

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    If we wanted pakistan, we would've taken it after we won the war where we reached till Lahor. So stop this crap.
     
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