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Barak ABISR QR-SAM

Discussion in 'Indian Military Doctrine' started by Gessler, Jan 18, 2017.

  1. Gessler

    Gessler BANNED BANNED

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    Thanks to member 500 at the other forum -

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    Range 35 km, altitude 10 km. Its basically lighter version of Barak-8 (Barak LR) with 70 km range. The size (4.5 m x 227 mm) of the missile is same as Barak-8, it uses same seeker and warhead (23 kg) but uses single impulse motor instead dual and is lighter (255 kg instead of 280 kg).

    It also uses same 8 cell launcher all other elements of Barak-8 system. But it can also use lighter and cheaper ELM-2106 radar, while Barak LR needs either MF-STAR (naval version) or ELM-2084 (ground version) radars.

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    The development of Barak ABISR is complete. It made 8 test launches in march 2016 in Israel with Indian representatives. Its considered for Indian QRSAM program.

    via Janes. Robin Hughes "Modern family: IAI expands range of new-generation Barak systems"

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2381291.html

    @PARIKRAMA @randomradio @Abingdonboy @vstol jockey @MilSpec
     
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    Abingdonboy Major IDF NewBie

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    Awesome, for the sake of commonality and sheer logic this would be the optimum product to meet the IA's and IAF's QR-SAM requirements. Having a family of weapons (ABLSR, BARAK-8, BARAK-8ER) in service meeting the QR-SAM-MR-MR-SAM-LR-SAM instead of a zoo of systems would be incredible.
     
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    PARIKRAMA Captain IDF NewBie

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    I expected that for some time and hoped for this..really..

    Wanted. A barak 8 family where it can have a QR SR , MR and ER.

    all under one family and able to do much more..
     
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    Abingdonboy Major IDF NewBie

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    Hopefully the IA and IAF see the logic in going for this and don't waste their time trying to reinvent the wheel by pursuing any other QR-SAMs.
     
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  5. kurup

    kurup 2nd Lieutant IDF NewBie

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    Very good developement ....... Brings in commonality among a range of SAMs .

    But a serious question ,,,, what in actuals terms is India's contribution to the Barak systems ??
     
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    The rear section of the missile -

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    PARIKRAMA Captain IDF NewBie

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    Yes truly.. it's best to implement the solution and get our SAM cover up and running with the LR radar network and also deploy in ships..

    No point doing nonsense and wasting money and time..
    I believe it's limited to some research and coding part... Most of the subsystems is well researched by Israel itself.. some fuel mix research did happen locally..
     
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    Abingdonboy Major IDF NewBie

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    If the DM is sensible he will place orders for these (en masse) ASAP, if India is to go to war, advanced AD is going to be one of the key differences between defeat and victory.
     
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    ...and in manufacturing?
     
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    BDL does work along with a Pvt sector Explosive company from Hyderabad who produces the fuel mix..
     
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    IAF had already SPYDERs as qr-sam ......No???
     
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    Q1 : Why not having a single system to house the Radar + the missile launcher?, something similar to that of the Russian Tor?

    Q2 : With the news of the Barak8ER test and minimum mods to existing radars and VLS. Is it a possible that these will be the long-range air defence missile that can be installed for the Kolata and Vizag class in addition to the existing Barak 8)
     
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    Abingdonboy Major IDF NewBie

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    In limited numbers to protect strategic installations.

    Look at the size of the 8 cell launcher and radar housing (the two trucks on the left):

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    It's going to be hard to combine that onto a single vehicle.

    the TOR has very different systems/capabilities.

    The BARAK-8ER has an addtional booster making it quite a bit longer than the LR-SAM/BARAK-8 and I'm not sure if the current VLS fitted on the P-15As/Bs are designed to do so.
     
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    Yes just reading up on the TOR, still wont a single system logistics wise be better

    Na , not replacing the existing VLS for the barak 8 - meant adding more VLS for the Barak8ER thus increasing the no. of missile ready to launch on the P15s A/B there is space available

    (just a crazy feeling that the IN was just waiting for this test to happen)
     
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    Abingdonboy Major IDF NewBie

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    There are pros and cons, obviously a dispersed capability spread over 2 vehicles adds a level of redundancy into the system and opens up more tactical possibilities.

    It's possible, many have speculated that the P-15A/B have a lot of unused real estate with the explicit intent of increasing VLS for weapons that can come late (Nirbhay, BARAK-8ER etc).
     
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