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Beyond FGFA: Can India look at others for Stealth fighter Partnerships?

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by layman, Mar 29, 2017.

  1. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    That would be the same mistake we did with LCA! Limiting the fighter project on an indigenous engine, that is neither developed nor proven.

    The nation is secure if we have an indigenous fighter, capable enough to fight our enemies and not because it has every nut and bolt made in India.
    That's why we have to go for ready and proven engines, till Kaveri is ready, provides the necessary performance and most importantly is reliable enough.
     
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  2. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    True, but only because F35 is developed, it doesn't mean IAF will prefer it over the current Pak Fa
     
  3. layman

    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    Yep. Though IAF was offered they have not gone for it. And we lack infra for sensor fusion also.
     
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    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Couple years ago Russia said they were going to give up on the PAK FA, that there was not enough money and there technology and manufacturing was not adequate. Evidently they managed to pry a commitment out of India for a few more billion on promises they would sooner or later deliver. Good luck on that. USA first built stealth planes 45 years ago, and while a few other countries have some sort of prototypes, so far they have actually produced nothing.
     
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    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    Well it was Nazi's who built the stealth tech first. They even had a prototype done. Which was clearly copied.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tlers-stealth-bomber-turned-tide-Britain.html
     
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  6. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Have they offered it in the last 2 years? Before that it wasn't, LM said during mmrca that we have to procure F16 and could get F35 later, just as IN send RFIs to LM but never got an official offer from US government, but please correct me if I missed it.

    IR sensor fusion is provided by Rafale and will be by Pak Fa too, but that's more marketing anyway, since it's mainly a missile warning system.
    The sensors of Pak Fa are much more impressive and we don't even know how it's final configuration will look like, so don't write it off that easily. I'll take current Pak Fa with customizations over any F35.
     
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    AbRaj Captain FULL MEMBER

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    None of the above mentioned fantasy fighters come close to PAK-FA/PMF in wt class, capabilities, or development.
    Forget about US fighters due to its idiotc politics and policies.
     
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    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    India was already finalizing with Rafale So no offers.
    First F35 was offered but then later they added a string to provide replacement for Tejas to procure F16. Anyways if is done no pint in pondering over it.

    Regarding Pak-Fa until final design is materialized I wouldn't take a call on it.
     
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    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    I will not take your bait into veering of the topic. Either way Past Pak-Fa what is next.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Yes, to defeat a new technology of that time, called radar.
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Follow on Rafale as part of MII is not finalised.
     
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    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    When L1 was confirmed F35's options got limited. Either the way it doesnt matter in the context of that argument. Point was, was F35 offered in last 2 years and even that was not the context discussion was going on future options.
     
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    I've been hearing about fgfa for a long time , how much has ir been develop?
     
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    Gripen is far too expensive for what it is, the LCA will easily fill this role and both the GoI and HAL have heavily backed the LCA, there simply won't be any other SE figter inducted by the IAF.

    + If you are talking about filling the gap, no foreign OEM can make any such offers as such new deals would take 2-3 years of hard bargining and 2-4 years on top of that to deliver the first product, by that time there will be >100 LCA in service.

    Regardless of Trump's wishes, it is the US Congress that would have to approve any such deal and they are in practical deadlock on all major issues, no way would India get such a mammoth agreement in the next TEN years and to do so would take at least 4-5 years of India agreeing to every whim of the US's (all foundational and other such agreements signed and ratified by both houses of parliament in India).

    Besides, have we seen any indication that Trump is inclined to make any such offers to India? As far as I can tell such a move would be entirely against his rhetoric of "America first" and bringing jobs back to the US. Trump isn't a pragmatist, he is all about perception, he wouldn't want to be percieved to be shipping American jobs to the backwards Indians. That isn't what his base voted for.


    It simply won't happen, anyone saying it is a possibility is either lying or delusional. At the very least it isn't going to happen anytime soon and isn't that the entire point...timely delivery?

    Boeing is offering an inferior product to the Rafale at a higher price, not very attractive.

    Again, it is irrelevant what the OEM offers, it is up to the US govt/legislature and I have covered that above.


    American fighters are a non-starter.
     
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