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BJP is to India what the Taliban are to Afghanistan

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  1. Zarvan

    Zarvan 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Development is just a slogan for Modi – his real agenda is to alter the ethos of the country and define the nation from the narrow prism of the religious majority

    The Taliban government in Kabul during the 1990s had become symbolic, not only of political barbarity, but also of great cultural intolerance. They wanted to obliterate all the symbols present in the country that did not relate to its Islamic history and culture. The destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas – which symbolised the epitome of Afghanistan’s history and heritage – was a brutal extension of that mentality.

    Today, India’s ruling Hindu party is besieged with a similar sectarian outlook. It displays an obsession to turn India into a Hindu nation, side-lining its other cultural and historical diversities. This fixation is so pronounced that it is shockingly beginning to resemble the worldview of the Taliban government of the 90s.

    The ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and its patron, Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), are more focused on changing the country’s secular culture and edging out India’s Islamic heritage and history than they are on actual governance.


    Therefore, when BJP legislator Sangeet Som called the Taj Mahal – which is not only India’s most popular tourist destination but is also the seventh wonder of the world as well as a UNESCO Heritage Site in India – a “blot on Indian culture” built by “traitors”, this statement was not simply an off-hand comment by an unhinged mind. On the contrary, it reflects the thinking of India’s ruling party.

    Som, who is known for his anti-Muslim rhetoric, made these statements a few weeks after the controversial decision by the Uttar Pradesh (UP) government to delete the Taj Mahal from the tourist map of the state. It was disappointing, but not unsurprising, to see no condemnation from the national leadership of the BJP. A party spokesperson almost justified the declaration by acknowledging that one cannot stop the people from making statements. Senior BJP leader, Vinay Katiyar, made things worse by claiming it was really the “Tejo Mahal”, Lord Shiva’s temple, which was converted by Shah Jahan into what we now see as the Taj Mahal.

    Opposition leaders, on the other hand, were up in arms against the ruling party for this openly divisive reading of history. They pointed out that if the Taj Mahal is an Islamic creation, so are many popular sites, like the Red Fort and the Qutub Minar, amongst others. Will the BJP government stop hoisting the Indian flag from the ramparts of the Red Fort on Independence Day, because they have such a problem with Islamic heritage? Or print new 500-rupee notes since it has the Red Fort printed on its back?

    The fact remains that millions of people visit the Taj Mahal every year and it is undoubtedly the most attractive tourist destination for anyone visiting India for the first time. The revenue from tourist visits to the monument feeds millions of families of all faiths.

    The Taliban viewed the Buddhas of Bamiyan simply as a remnant of Afghanistan’s Buddhist past, never as a historical heritage for the nation. Similarly, the BJP only sees the Taj Mahal as a symbol of Islam and a part of India’s Islamic history. Such views are rooted in their sectarian reading of history, and betray their political agenda – which is to turn India into a Hindu nation. These attacks on the Taj Mahal are part of that wider agenda.

    If middle class India or those who voted for Narendra Modi think that the man and his party are concerned about India’s economic development, then they are living in a fool’s paradise. Development is just a slogan for Modi – his real agenda is to alter the ethos of the country and define the nation from the narrow prism of the religious majority.

    It is thus unsurprising that ever since Modi has come to power, there has been systematic marginalisation of India’s religious minorities, particularly its Muslims. The ban on cow slaughter, the mob attacks for the crime of alleged beef possession, the obsession with love jihad, are all part of a design to push the roughly 14% and growing Muslim population of India into the margin of society. It is an attempt to create a narrative where Muslims are treated as outsiders and aggressors and thus not part of the Indian culture, which will eventually be synonymous with the Hindu culture.

    This is why the ruling establishment is always clashing with history, and there seems to be a serious attempt to present the country’s history and past from a Hindu perspective.

    Recently, in the western Indian state of Rajasthan, the local BJP government brazenly approved a change in history books to declare Maharana Pratap the winner of the Battle of Haldighati, which was fought against the Mughal emperor Akbar in the 16th century. History tells us otherwise; that Akbar defeated the King of Mewar, but the BJP allowed this edit in another attempt to pander to the extremist Hindu narrative.

    What is interesting to note is that this was not a battle fought between Hindus and Muslims; it was a fight between two rulers for political dominance. These rulers just happened to belong to two different faiths. Akbar’s army was led by a Hindu chieftain while there were many Muslim soldiers who lost their lives fighting for Pratap.

    This communalisation of history is being done in a systematic way by the BJP, both in Delhi and in other regions where it is the dominant party. Secular textbooks are being replaced by rabidly sectarian ones that focus mainly on Hindu motifs and tell stories from the Hindu perspective – a dangerous phenomenon in a country where a significant chunk of the population is not Hindu.

    A Muslim family was attacked because they were rearing cows and running a dairy business. The Hindu extremists got riled up and attacked them, calling them beef eaters, with no proof whatsoever. Such attacks keep growing in number, and are part of a game plan to isolate Muslims from mainstream society and demonise them in order to turn public sentiment against them more than it already is.

    The Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar are a victim of a similar narrative. Decades of systematic propaganda against the Rohingya Muslims by the ruling regime created a divide that ultimately left the minority group as the enemy and the outsider.

    The present Indian government and all its cultural and ideological wings are aggressively pursuing a policy of creating a false narrative and projecting a biased history so that India’s Islamic symbols and its followers are portrayed as the enemy.

    In light of this, the Taliban’s destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas and the BJP’s attacks on the Taj Mahal are not two eerily similar yet unrelated episodes, they are part of the same mentality. The Taj Mahal is not just a tourist spot – it is a part of India’s identity. So are many other monuments, including the Agra Fort, the Qutub Minar and the Red Fort. Will the BJP attack them all?


    https://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/58715/bjp-is-to-india-what-the-taliban-are-to-afghanistan/
     
  2. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    The cynicism of the author is apparent here, especially hailing from a country that has been known to have religious freedom in the truest of sense. The agenda is very clear from the headline itself, attack a way of life that is being painted as religion, whereas everyone and their dog knows that Hinduism is neither a religion or a set pattern of religious belief systems/incantations unlike the monotheistic religions of Islam and Christianity.

    The very fact is that Islam is allowed to manifest in all it's forms, where even Ahmadis are not being slaughtered for calling themselves Muslims, where Shias and Sunnis are living in peace and tranquility even as the neighbouring country and the middle east, the so called bastions of Islam, tear themselves along sectarian lines with the neighbouring country taking upon itself to declare followers of Islam as being un-Islamic! I am sure, the Hindu agenda is the best thing that can happen to other religions, allow them a way of life, a thought process and a space to exist as a religion as Hinduism absorbs another's concept of God, without any prejudice or inhibition.

    The fact that Islam is prospering here, is an indication enough of the 'poison'!!! :D



    Nothing wrong in being a Hindu nation, as Hinduism is the embodiment of what actually constitutes a nation - a thought process, a cultural integration and an idea, transcending religious outlook or personal belief system. As originally enumerated by Vishnugupta in his work Arthshastra, the nation is made up of these very values and not commonality of language or religion.

    This was painstakingly 'rediscovered' by the French in the 19th century, when they took pains to define a nation state for the european states, permitting the formation of the modern nation states in Continental Europe.

    Secularism is very clear, the State neither interferes in the religion nor allow religion to interfere in the affairs of the State. Various religious organisations, from Ahl-e-Hadith, to VHP to various Christian Missions, are each involved in propagating their religion, which may, at times, stoke tensions.The same is being undertaken by all religious organisations as guaranteed under the Constitution of India (the right to practice and propagate their religion).

    The unfortunate side effect has been that the unscrupulous interests (eg Saudi and Pakistani funding in Ahl e Hadith, a predominantly Sunni and Wahabi sect diverging it's activities in order to subtly promote a sectarian divide in Kashmir as evident today) have used these organisations in order to generate political vote banks or in certain cases undermine Indian stability and security by fragmenting the Indian society.
     
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    Gessler Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    A funny article with a funny title.

    Has the Taj Mahal been destroyed? No? Then such writers should shut their trap or at least be careful about what they write. But it's obvious that this writer is merely after hits/pageviews...so yeah, a sensationalist headline helps.
     
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  4. The enlightened

    The enlightened Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Pakistan is to India what Taliban is to afghanistan.
     
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    @Zarvan ask your conscious inner soul........

    Had this been case India would not been a pluralistic & secular nation which believes in rights of citizen which includes their religion. You come from a country with a very narrow understanding of freedom which includes religious freedom too.

    Is BJP involved in ethnic cleansing or wiping out certain section of society which Taliban and other Islamic nations are involved in? The fact is even in Pure Islamic nation there is ethnic cleansing in name of Shia, Sunni, Ahmedia, Bhori, etc. but look at India all factions of Islamic religion (Shia, Sunni, Ahmedia, Bhori) live in relatively peaceful and safe manner let alone other several religions like Sikhs, Hindus, Jains, Christians, Bhahais, Parsis, Buddhists.

    Look at your country's history how your Pakjabi Muslim army Killed & Raped east Pakistanis which went on to become Bangladesh.

    Before pointing your finger on anyone remember your own 3 fingers point you............. Taliban is making of Pak Army....... The same which was involved in ethnic cleansing in Bangladesh (erstwhile east Pakistan, you really need to remember).

    BJP works to protect India's interest. If you are true patriotic Bhartiya no matter if you are Hindu, Sikh or Muslim you have nothing to fear, anti nationals have everything to fear in BJP regime and should be......................
     
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    Afghan people voted Talban to power ?
     
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    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    I can't top @Hellfire on this one.

    So all I will say is the lesser the influence of Abrahamic religions in a country, the better off is the country.
     
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    And here I thought that this 'marginalisation' started in 1947 itself, when India or Bharat was broken up along religious lines, an idea of a nation with people following different religions yet having commonality of culture, heritage and thoughts (only a few so called intellectuals, whose solemn duty it was to maintain the unity and narrative of a free united India, wanted to have separate nation for Muslims. The common people, be it Hindu or Muslim, were more concerned about freedom and building a new life and country as free citizens.)

    Then, of course, I would be amiss if I did not give tribute to Pt Jawahar Lal Nehru (hey President Kovind was criticised for not invoking him in his inaugural speech as President of India, I am a mere citizen) for ensuring this occurred by innovating and mainstreaming the word 'ghetto'! Inspite of all logical thinking and indications dictating a course to the contrary, and ignoring advice given by the HM Sardar Patel, he made sure that small pockets of Muslims were created surrounded by large swathes of Hindus, instead of integrating them into society as Indians, thereby ensuring a perpetuation of fear and animosity by pushing the narrative that such conglomeration will give them a feeling of protection (thereby pushing ahead an agenda that otherwise the Hindus will kill them).




    Part of law as per Constitution of India. What is with it? There is no ban on cow slaughter per se, only ban on illegal abattoirs (run by ... wait for it, the friendly 'oppressed' in majority of cases), which had mushroomed over UP and other parts of the country in name of religion whereas being just law breaking and illegal activity being passed off as untouchable under garb of religion!


    Yeah, that is sick. But then, some were cases of beef transport illegally, yet does not give the right to attack a citizen. This I deplore wholeheratedly


    The author is not denying .. he is only decrying the obsession. Note the subtle difference. Let us be clear. Even the Supreme Court has accepted this practice, Deoband has been known to pass such fatwas wherein there have been directions in this regards (to increase the population of Muslim) ... and there is Kerala .. need not go very far.



    There is the crux. Yes. India will not allow a demography change for Partition Ver 2.0. Period.

    I support this directive. The laws of the land, of two child policy, needs to be upheld.

    Islam is welcome, only Indianised version which teaches acceptance of all religions and beliefs and being Indian first. Any version which calls upon the Muslim Indian to be Muslim first and foremost, is alien to this nation and anti-national. And needs to be challenged actively and intellectually.


    What is the doubt of the bold? Indian culture is acceptance of all religious entities and ideas and practices, Islam supposedly prohibits everything. It prohibits singing national anthem (as per some Muslims), standing for your national flag (same subset of Muslims), or saying Jai Hind (hailing the Mother Land, again same subset)!!! So, if someone is following an alien ideology, alien to the concept of India, there is nothing wrong in marking them as aliens!!!


    Indian perspective. Otherwise we were reading British and the Turkish/Persian perspective (of conquering Islamists).

    Was the aim of killing the Maharana achieved? If not, it was a tactical victory for Mughals but strategic loss as reversal occurred immediately. Something like Vietnam war is a loss for US. NVA could never defeat US ....

    All the Muslim invasions were given religious denomination by their historians. If Hindus do it, it is falsification? LOL !! Funny, the idiot is hilarious!


    So Muslims are not 14%? Look how this joker is twisting his words.

    They initiated an armed conflict. Then got their arse kicked. And now are crying. Read the history, everywhere it is the Muslim who is found in confrontation/terror attacks and wars. The community is being defined by these idiots. It is the responsibility of Muslims to control this minority which is tarnishing their image, not others. Because if others take steps to check them, Muslims are quick to howl!!!





    Am tired of dissecting this crap pile

    @Zarvan

    Hinduism is a way of life. I don't pray, I eat beef, hate mandirs. But no pandit or otherwise has the guts to ban me or ostracize me or call me non-Hindu!I laugh at concept of rebirth (a part of so called religious belief in hinduism)

    Try it in Islam! Heck, you call your Ahmadis non-Muslims and make them swear and oath to the effect to just give them a chance at remaining alive!!!

    I can make fun of my Gods, try making fun of yours, you will be hanged at the nearest pole for blasphemy!!!
     
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    Ise kethe he pade Likhe Jahil.

    Problem with the Pakistanis are that they are actually Confused and this confusion is due the fact that they Created a country called Pakistan on the basis of that Muslims and Hindus are two people apart, and could not live together by their forefather, Pork eater Jinnah, who even could not speak Urdu, funded by the Muslim Jamindars to protect their land lordships.

    So how do they justify the Partition -- it is by showing the people of the Pakistan, that they are actually safe in Pakistan, by defaming and showing negative picture to their public, but in reality they are saving the IDEA.

    Their history started from the Moh. bin Qasim entering the Sind, thus they are automatically Arab/Turk decendents, and on the same time wants to take the credits of the civilization that had flaurished in the country, which they now called as the land of Pure aka ICV, Taxila, invention of Wheels etc etc. So they are actually confused whether they are Arabs are the decendant of the Forced conversion people. They feels proud of conversion as if they Captured Sind and converted fellow Hindus/budhists, I am confused whether to Laugh on them or Pitty on them.

    They are confused, when they cry how the Rohingas are been killed, and are forced to leave their houses, but will turn their eyes away from the Balluchis, in the similar manner. They will declare Modi, as the biggest Terrorists, and claim that Modi was banned from entering USA, but could not utter a word, for the him to actually visity China twice in his term as CM of Gujrat after Godhara, and could not simply understand a simple fact, that he was never banned from US visa, rather requested by the US ambassies, not to apply for the Visa post Godhara. Haven't seen a single Pakistani feels sorrows for the Car Sevaks burned alive in the train, and the Hindus killed in the MOB.

    They believe in the Gwaza E Hind, and dream that one day, the muslims sorry Pakistani will rule India, again, and the old Golden age of their Mughals will come, and they will enjoy rulling the Hindus again -- then the slaps came as a reality, that the Mughals rulled, but were illiterates, so they need the Hindu ministers to handle the administrative work, and they never actually rulled for 800 years, as they dreams off, rather in patches, and failed to see that how difficult was them to actually rule the hindus -- with the fact that within 14 years, the whole persia was islamized, but failed for so many centuries to converts all the hindus, the reason was simple, there was no Religion at all in India, rather a Culture, so how would they propogate the Propaganda, that their religion is superior than the Hindus.

    They are confused that their Savior is the PA, which have defended their country from the India, since India wants to destroy Pakistan, the bogus theory, that have already disintegrated away Bangladesh from them. But they will not feel the reality slap, that no buisness man will want to risk their property destroyed in a war, and in reality PA is a 20 Billion turnover company, manufacturing from Biscuits to take road construction tender. Even the electricity Bills are delivered by the Pakistani Jawan, and PA is the biggest company registered in the their Stock exchange.

    They are also confused with the Americans. Ask any pakistani Child, he hates Americans and America, since all the muslims of the whole world are the victims of the America, but they love the American Weapons, F-16, and American money to run the Madarsas. They are confused, that China is now their best budy, and China will fill the gap of the USA, and the CPEC will turn the pakistan into the next Singapore, but a Slap-- reality try banning all US dollors, and make the payment in Pakistani Rupees, and adopt Yuan or Riyal, they will find their faces black and blue. I fear, it would be too late, when they realized, that they have actually sold the Pakistan to the Chinese, and are on the verge of the Economical Debt trap.

    The Green Glasses on their eyes will not allow them to see, that the Strategic location of the Pakistan, will simply allow Pakistan to earn billion of dollars freely, just by allowing the goods transfer across their country for trade. They will not understand that the Religion is a matter of Personal belief, and once you have the constitution, it becomes the real religion, and it is always Country First, no matter what religion you follows or no matter what books you believe, but unfortunately for them Religion always comes first.
     
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    Pakistanis are simply JEALOUS of India Because we have a Great PM like MODI
    who is Totally Devoted to India 's Well Being
     
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    It's more of fear and loathing in equal measure.
     
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    Although pakistan is nowhere near as successful as the Taliban....
     
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    If you want to be a citizen of India, then you have to be Indian first, not Hindu first or Muslim first.

    If you don't agree to it, then you are free to return your Voter's ID or even emigrate.
     
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    I also went through that, finally understood why I should have belief.

    They are so many concepts that fits in every part of life , whether we want to believe or not .

    There cannot be a individual who can say, I know entire Hinduism .
     
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    Pork is planning to rejoin us?
     
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