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    It did happen... except reverse engineering was the last, and it was probably done by Russians. If reverse engineering part happened, that is.
     
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    IAF to deploy Apache strike helicopters at Indo-China border
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    New inductions in the IAF such as Apache attack helicopters will be in support of operational plans of the Army, which is raising a new Strike Corps along the borders with China in the northeastern sector, Air Chief Marshal N A K Browne said here today.
    “Whatever inductions are taking place in the IAF, they will fully support the Army’s plans. All the strike helicopters like the Apache…They will all support the Army?s plans,â€￾ he told reporters on the sidelines of a seminar here.
    The proposal was first sent by the Army but it was returned by the government which asked the three services to work together on plans to strengthen their capabilities in that region.
    “We sent the revised plan to the Defence Ministry in December,â€￾ Browne said. The IAF is planning to deploy majority of its new inductions such as the additional C-130 J transport planes and six new midair refueling tanker aircraft at the proposed headquarters of the new Corps in Panagarh in West Bengal to strengthen country?s defence capabilities in that sector, IAF sources said.
    The force is also planning to station part of the fleet of 22 Apache helicopters being procured from the US in that sector.
    The proposal is awaiting clearance from Defence Ministry’s Finance Wing and its cost is being estimated.
    Commenting on how the cut of around Rs 12,000 crore in the defence budget was affecting his force, Browne said, “Well we have the 42 Su-30MKI aircraft. The contract (for the additional planes) has to be signed. Payments have to be made for that because the first four aircraft deliveries will take place in March. We have to find money for it.â€￾
    The Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) had signed a deal with Russia for the additional 42 Su-30MKIs in December last year and of these 28 will be produced under licence by HAL in the country and the rest would be built in Russia.
    On Defence Research and Development Organisation’s proposed Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) project, Browne said it was “too earlyâ€￾ to talk about the plane being a fifth-generation one.
    “When all requirements are firmed up, then we will see what technologies are possible and what are not possible. Then you put it in that bracket,â€￾ he said.
     
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    clarification regarding the procurement of apache attack choppers

    IAF, not Army, will get Apache attack helicopters: Govt | idrw.org

    The Defence ministry Has rejected the Army’s Case for “ownershipâ€￾ of the 22 Heavy-Duty Apache helicopters, Armed with Deadly Hellfire and Stinger Missiles, Which India is All set to acquire from the us in a $ 1.4 Billion Contract.

    The MoD , citing defence minister AK Antony’s approval, has held the 22 AH-64D Apache Longbow gunships Will “REMAINâ€￾ with the IAF Because the Procurement Deal was an “ongoingâ€￾ one, Which did not Fall into Category of “Futureâ€￾ Acquisitions, said Officials . The Army Has Been eyeing the Apache helicopters, That Earlier defeated Russian Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant’s Mi-28 Havoc choppers in the Field Trials Conducted by IAF, for Which the Final Commercial Negotiations are now underway Between MoD and Boeing.

    Antony Last Year was Compelled to step into the bitter turf war raging between Army and IAF for years, which publically erupted even during the 1999 Kargil Conflict, over the ownership of Attack helicopters. HAD The minister then Decided That “Futureâ€￾ procurements of Attack helicopters Would be for the Army since the Force contended IT desperately needed the gunships to target Enemy infantry and Tanks on the Ground. But IAF argued IT Should be allowed to retain the All-Attack and Medium Lift helicopters Because IT Would be “very expensiveâ€￾ if the Army and Duplicated Efforts resources by getting its own “little air forceâ€￾. The “command and Controlâ€￾ over IAF’s two existing Mi-25/35 Attack Squadrons of helicopters was in any Case in the hands of Army.

    After MoD said the Army Would Also Get ITS Own Attack helicopters to Resolve the Imbroglio, the Force HAD Laid claim to the “ownershipâ€￾ of the 22 Apache helicopters as well.“But the procurement process for the 22 Apache helicopters Began much before the Decision About Giving Army Future ownership of such inductions was Taken,â€￾ said a MoD Official. An Army Undeterred, however, chalked out Plans to have ITS Own “Miniâ€￾ Air Force in the years ahead. Apart from creating a permanent cadre for the Army Aviation Corps, the force is raising “aviation brigadesâ€￾ for each of its three “strikeâ€￾ and 10 “pivotâ€￾ Corps.

    Currently The Army operates 195 Chetak / Chetak light observation helicopters as well as 70 Dhruv advanced light helicopters. Its long-term plans include three helicopter squadrons (10-12 choppers each) – armed or attack, reconnaissance and tactical lift – each for all its 13 corps as well as “a flightâ€￾ of five fixed-wing aircraft each for its six regional or operational commands.
     
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    Seems like the Apaches going to end up at IA after all:

    Indian Army requests more Apaches - IHS Jane's 360
     
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    Choppers, Tanks, Artillery: Major Indian Arms Deals Likely To Be Cleared Tomorrow

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    A handful of high-value defence deals, delayed over the cusp of government change in the country, are likely to come up -- and be cleared -- by India's Defence Ministry tomorrow. The Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) meets with a substantial agenda list, that includes deals for 22 Boeing Apache attacks choppers and 15 Boeing Chinook heavy rotorcraft, both deals concluded months ago, but drifting during the change of government.

    Additionally, the DAC tomorrow, chaired by Defence Minister Arun Jaitley, will likely clear a chunky deal to medium refit six of the Indian Navy's remaining nine Kilo-class attack submarines with new sonars on three of those, a follow-on deal for 118 indigenous Arjun Mk.2 tanks and 40 Arjun Catapult self-propelled artillery systems.

    Significantly, the meeting will also see the Indian Army make a presentation on the all-but-stuck light helicopter competition that's remained adrift for over two years now. The competition for 197 light multirole choppers for the Army and IAF is a fight between Airbus Helicopter and Kamov. Stuck after the AgustaWestland investigations threw up evidence that an earlier iteration of the light copter competition may have been compromised, the Army is expected to present forward movement on the contract and push for an early call at the Defence Minister's level based on fresh guidelines.

    Livefist: Choppers, Tanks, Artillery: Major Indian Arms Deals Likely To Be Cleared Tomorrow
     
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    We are inducting 64E or 64D?

    Flightglobal calls it 64E and media is calling it the 64D.

    64E was formerly the 64D blk 3 so maybe there is some confusion?
     
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    I believe 64E Apache Guardian is the US Military designation of the Block-III Longbow.

    It is not necessary Indian military too refer to it by the same name...we may still call it Longbow Blk-3.
     
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    Would it be used by IAF or Indian Army Aviation?
     
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    India to buy 22 attack, 15 heavy-lift copters

    Valued at $2.5 b; will provide the IAF with enhanced dominant force projection capabilities

    MUMBAI, JANUARY 28:
    As part of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s plan to bolster the nation’s military posture, India is to acquire 22 Boeing AH-64E Apache attack helicopters and 15 CH-47F Chinook heavy lift helicopters for the Indian Air Force (IAF), valued at $2.5 billion.

    Approval stage

    Officials in the know said the attack helicopter (Apache) and the heavy lift helicopter (Chinook) are currently in the Government approval stage.

    “The Ministry of Finance and Cabinet Committee on Security needs to approve...before contracts are signed. All other steps are done,” officials said.

    Sources pointed out that India’s defence acquisition process mandates that all contracts that are in excess of $50 million require 30% offsets. Way back in 2013, Boeing had signed a memorandum of understanding with Dynamatic Technologies of Bangalore, to manufacture the aft pylon and cargo ramp assemblies for the Chinook. Sources indicated that Boeing had done this in anticipation of the IAF order. When contacted, Boeing said it was deferring all questions on the Apache procurement to India’s Ministry of Defence for comment.

    Offsets galore

    “Defence spending eligible for offsets through 2017 are huge. Based on the current order pipeline, big procurement programmes ensure that offset obligations could become an opportunity worth $10-$20 billion for the domestic industry,” said sources.

    Another official pointed out that offsets are expected to spur growth, as well as aid the basic intent of the offset policy, which is to build a domestic defence manufacturing base.

    Force projection

    “Multinational original equipment manufacturers with Indian defence contracts can discharge their offset obligations by sourcing military grade components from India,” the official added.

    Boeing’s Apache is the most capable multi-role combat helicopter, “combining performance and lethality with more affordable and efficient maintenance.

    “It will provide the Indian Air Force with enhanced dominant force projection capabilities, and will address the full spectrum of conflict to peace keeping and nation building.”

    Newest member

    India has been offered the AH-64E, the newest member of the combat proven Apache family, and is to get the latest upgraded version of the helicopter, which has been delivered only to the US Army. In the case of Boeing’s Chinook helicopter, “the tandem rotor H-47 Chinook is the most capable, advanced heavy lift helicopter, providing maximum value at the lowest risk.

    The H-47 Chinook offers India heavy lift and high altitude transportation for a multitude of military, humanitarian, rescue, disaster relief, fire fighting and nation building missions in all climates and conditions and altitudes.”

    Flight trials

    The Chinook and an advanced version of the Mi-26 helicopter were put to flight trials in 2011, in desert and high altitude terrain. Boeing’s Chinook had beaten out Russia’s Mi-26, when the Indian Defence Ministry had opened bids in November 2012, said sources, adding that the Russian bid was set aside after officials failed to provide details on how they would execute their offset liabilities.

    Boeing is deferring questions on the contract to India’s Ministry of Defence.

    India to buy 22 attack, 15 heavy-lift copters | Business Line

    As soon as the Apaches are inducted IAF can transfer the Mi-24's to IA Aviation and keep remaining Mi-35's in service.

    This will pave the way for the M777 to be purchased as only the Chinook can carry and drop it off anywhere. Will give real teeth to the presently under equipped strike force for Arunachal region
     
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    Defence ministry to seek CCS approval for US copters
    In a bid to beef up its rapid deployment and strike capability, the defence ministry is set to approach the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) for the acquisition of 15 heavy-lift twin rotor Chinook and 22 Apache Longbow helicopters from US aircraft major Boeing. The move comes as Boeing is expected to revise the cost of these helicopters after March 31.

    The $2.5 billion deal was cleared by the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) under the then defence minister Arun Jaitley last August.[​IMG]

    South Block sources said the acquisition is being negotiated for the past five years with Boeing holding to the agreed price till March 31. "The manufacturer had extended the agreed price to March after the October 2014 deadline expired. If Boeing decides to revise prices of both Chinook and Apache after the new deadline, the deal will have to be re-tendered and re-negotiated. This concern has been conveyed to the highest level in the government," said a senior official.

    Government sources said even though the Narendra Modi government was keen to acquire the helicopters, the deal has been hanging fire as the defence ministry lacks capital funds.

    The delay took place despite the manufacturer dropping the contentious limited liability clause at the instance of Indian negotiators.

    The Indian Air Force (IAF) has four heavy-lift Mi-26 helicopters based in Chandigarh and two squadrons of Mi-35 attack helicopters based in Suratgarh and Pathankot acquired from Russia in 1980s. The Boeing Chinook-47D and Apache-64 D with Hellfire missiles in its arsenal are far superior to their Russian counterparts both in terms of technology and lethality.

    Defence ministry to seek CCS approval for US copters
     
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    With Boeing revising costs on 31st March its important to get the deal signed before and the initial amount paid to Boeing
     
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    I will Sweden to buy five of this.

    Nice.
     
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    37 helicopters and 22 of them are Apache. Greatful.
     
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    Fingers crossed hoping CCS clears before 31st price revision
     
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