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    Apache are best helicopters in attack. Guns and missiles omboard.

    Britain have over 60 of these in Air Force and are 5th most world.
     
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    Copter Deal: Boeing Seeks Final Word, Warns Govt of Price Hike

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    US defence giant Boeing today warned of a price hike in the nearly USD 2.5 billion deal for 22 Apache attack and 15 Chinook heavy-lift helicopters if India does not finalise the contract soon.

    Pointing out that the company has been pursuing the deal for five years, a top Boeing executive here said it would be in the interest of all concerned if a decision was taken.

    “There is a point (till which) our ability to quote price is limited. We are inching closer and closer to that point,” said Boeing India President Pratyush Kumar. He said out that Boeing has reached a stage where it feels that it would be in “everyone’s interest to have a decision”. Kumar said that the original Request for Proposal (RFP) had a very short validity.

    “They (Defence Ministry) kept asking for extensions and we did provide them as and when appropriate. It is not always possible to keep extending, because we live in a world where we feel inflationary pressure,” he said at a press conference. He was replying to a query as to how long would the commercial bid of Boeing be valid. Sources said that the company can hold on to the price it had quoted for just another “couple of months”.

    Incidentally, the present Defence Procurement Policy does not allow room for increase in price once a bid has been shortlisted. Defence sources have earlier said that in the event of the original manufacturer seeking a higher price than the one agreed upon, the tender can be terminated and a fresh one issued.

    Sources said the latest six-month extension of price validity was granted in October last year. The US has been pushing for this contract as it will further bolster American presence in the “sunrise” defence market of India.

    American companies have over the last decade bagged defence contracts worth around USD 10 billion, including for aircraft like P-8I, C-130J ‘Super Hercules’ and C-17 Globemaster-III, from India.

    Copter Deal: Boeing Seeks Final Word, Warns Govt of Price Hike | idrw.org
     
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    Killer machine by Apache.

    Can destroy build, tanks and soldiers life.
     
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    Government concludes contract negotiations for Apache, Chinook choppers

    New Delhi: The Indian government has concluded contract negotiations with US aerospace major Boeing for procuring 22 Apache AH-64E combat and 15 Chinook CH-47F heavy-lift helicopters.

    Disclosing this, the IAF chief, Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha, told a defence magazine in an interview that the process for the final step, that is approval from the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS), has now been initiated and that "once accorded, the contracts would be signed".

    Notably, all contracts above Rs.1,000 crore (approximately $165 million at the current exchange rate) in value have to be approved by the CCS, which is headed by the prime minister and includes the finance, defence, external affairs and home ministers.

    Procedurally, once the ministry of defence (MoD) approves a proposal for forwarding the case to CCS, it has to be seen and signed by the defence minister and then goes to the finance ministry where likewise, the finance minister has to accord his signature. Any observations by the finance Ministry are generally addressed by the MoD before the case is put up to the CCS.

    It normally does not take more than a couple of months once a file is moved for CCS approval. And if all goes well which hopefully should ? then the approval should be there in March or April.

    The contract then can be signed on ASAP basis within weeks.

    According to Air Chief Marshal Raha, all the contracted aircraft should be delivered within five years of the signing; the first one though is within three years.

    India will have to pay 15 percent (or whatever is agreed) of the negotiated value at the time of the contract. Payments are then made in accordance with the delivery schedule.

    Sources in the MoD indicated that negotiations were also on with Boeing for buying four more P-8I Long Range Maritime Reconnaissance (LRMR) aircraft as per the options clause, and most likely, the contracts for the helicopters as well as P-8Is should be through by mid-2015.

    The Indian Navy has already bought eight P-8Is, of which six have been delivered and two are likely to arrive in India over the next few months. All these aircraft are being acquired on the Direct Commercial Sales (DCS) basis although their weapon systems like radars and missiles would be through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) route from the US Government.

    As for the the Apaches, Boeing`s Vice President for Defence, Space and Security in India Dennis Swanson has pointed out that the Indian Air Force (IAF) will be getting the very latest helicopter ? the AH-64E ? that has recently been delivered to the US Army. This version has 26 modifications over the earlier AH 64-D model.

    The exact specifications for the Indian requirement are not known but normally, one in every three Apaches is equipped with Lockheed Martin`s sophisticated Longbow radar to acquire and designate targets for destruction. At present, IAF has very old Soviet vintage Mi-35 combat and Mi-26 heavy lift helicopters. They have done very well but have aged and need replacement with contemporary systems.

    Government concludes contract negotiations for Apache, Chinook choppers | Zee News
     
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    Rafale deal done, defence minister Parrikar wants Apaches
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    Long sought by the depleted Indian Air Force, Apache attack and Chinook heavy lift helicopters seem set to punch in through the opening created by Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Rafale breakthrough. Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar has sought the mandatory finance ministry approval for purchase of 22 Boeing Apache attack helicopters from the US as a prelude to moving the Cabinet Committee on Security. The $2 billion purchase has been hanging fire since 2009 with the US defence major offering its 11th extension on price till June 30, 2015.

    South Block officials said that Parrikar has also directed defence finance officials to fast-track the acquisition of 15 Chinook heavy helicopters from the US or record their reservations, if any, for the CCS to take a final view. “Acquisition cannot remained mired in red tape. If the officials have any concerns, they should record it on file so that the political leadership can take a decision on either to concur with their view or reject it. Sitting on the file is not an option,” said a senior South Block official. Manufactured by Boeing, the Chinook deal is worth around $1.1 billion and has been in limbo as long as the Apache.

    The Apache qualified in the attack helicopter category as the other contender did not meet the specifications, Chinook qualified for the heavy copter tender as the lowest bidder on grounds of landed price, fuel efficiency and maintenance for 10 years after beating the Russia-made Mi-26 in 2012.

    The IAF has only two squadrons of the roughly 25 years old Mi-35 attack helicopters, it has only three Mi-26 heavy lift helicopters with low serviceability. The IAF desperately requires attack helicopters like Apache to counter any aggression from the west and needs rapid deployment capability along the 3,488-km mountainous Line of Actual Control (LAC) with China. Boeing has offered India 15 Chinooks (CH-47F) with the option of purchase of seven more of the twin rotor helicopters that can carry 55 combat-ready troops or up to 11,000 kg of cargo.

    In case of the Apache, Boeing has offered 22 platforms with the option of buying another 11 through both government-to-government and direct commercial sales route. The US manufacturer has offered state-of-the-art Longbow radar with Hellfire fire-and-forget all-weather missiles, Stinger missiles and rockets. Both helicopters use top-of-the-line technology and have been battle-proven in the Afghanistan and Iraq theatres.

    Rafale deal done, defence minister Parrikar wants Apaches
     
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    India To Fast Track Apache And Chinook Helicopter Acquisition

    Indian Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar has sought approval from finance ministry for purchase of 22 Boeing Apache attack helicopters from the US.

    Apart from Apache, Parrikar has also directed defense finance officials to fast track acquisition of 15 Chinook heavy helicopters.

    “Acquisition cannot remain mired in red tape. If the officials have any concerns, they should record it on file so that the political leadership can take a decision on either to concur with their view or reject it. Sitting on the file is not an option,” a senior official was quoted by Hindustan Times daily as saying.

    The $2 billion purchase of Apache and $1.1 billion Chinook helicopter deals have been hanging since 2009. Boeing has offered its 11th extension on price till June 30, 2015.

    The Apache qualified in the attack helicopter category, Chinook qualified for the heavy copter tender as the lowest bidder on pricing, fuel efficiency and maintenance for 10 years after beating the Russia-made Mi-26 in 2012.

    The IAF has only two squadrons of the roughly 25 years old Mi-35 attack helicopters; it has only three Mi-26 heavy lift helicopters with low serviceability. Boeing has offered India 15 Chinooks (CH-47F) with the option of purchase of seven more of the twin rotor helicopters that can carry 55 combat-ready troops or up to 11,000 kg of cargo.

    In case of the Apache, Boeing has offered 22 platforms with the option of buying another 11 through both government-to-government and direct commercial sales route. Boeing has offered Longbow radar with Hellfire fire-and-forget all-weather missiles, Stinger missiles and rockets.


    India To Fast Track Apache And Chinook Helicopter Acquisition
     
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    The real deal-

    Apache with 16 Hellfire ATGM

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    India to sign $2.5 bn Apache / Chinook copter deal with the US next month
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    US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter is likely to visit India next month when the two sides are expected to ink the nearly $2.5 billion deal for 22 Apache and 15 Chinook heavy-lift helicopters.

    Though the final dates for Carter’s visit have not been announced, defence sources said the visit will take place in May during which the two sides will discuss ways to enhance defence ties, especially in context of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s ‘Make-in-India’ initiative.

    The Apache and Chinook helicopters deal is likely to be among the pacts that will be inked during the visit, the sources said.

    The deal would be presented before the Cabinet Committee on Security for approval soon, they added.

    American defence major Boeing, along with the US government, has extended the validity of the price quoted by them for another three months hoping to wrap up the deal soon.

    Indian Defence Ministry had last month sought extension of the validity period on its expiry on March 31.

    The US firm had in February this year warned of a price hike if India does not finalise the contract soon.

    “They (Defence Ministry) kept asking for extensions and we did provide them as and when appropriate.

    It is not always possible to keep extending because we live in a world where we feel inflationary pressure,” Boeing India President Pratyush Kumar had said in a press conference here.
    Boeing has extended the price validity for the deal at least twice since cost negotiations concluded in 2013, with the last extension for a period of six months granted in October 2014.

    Incidentally, the present Defence Procurement Policy does not allow room for increase in price once a bid has been shortlisted. In the event of the original manufacturer seeking a higher price than the one agreed upon, the tender can be terminated and a fresh one issued, as per defence officials.

    The deal for the Apache is a “a hybrid one”, with one contract to be signed with Boeing for the helicopter and the other with the US government for its weapons, radars and electronic warfare suites.

    The US has been pushing for this contract as it will further bolster American presence in the burgeoning defence market of India.

    American companies have over the last decade bagged defence contracts from India worth around USD 10 billion, including for aircraft like P-8I, C-130J ‘Super Hercules’ and C-17 Globemaster-III.

    India to sign $2.5 bn Apache / Chinook copter deal with the US next month - IBC World News
     
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    These brand new Apaches are cheaper than IN upgrading its Kamov-28 helis.
     
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    Why the fcuk are we buying these pieces of junk.....after the performance of the Mi Hinds in Syria, which can also transfer troops in addition to killing cannibals at almost groundlevel
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    To diversify our defence supplies:facepalm: and to spend overboard:devilwork:
     
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    The only way we should be doing this is to build our own damn guns and bullets.
     
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    http://defence-blog.com/news/us-army-develops-new-engine-for-black-hawk-and-apache-helicopters.html

    The US Army Aviation and Missile Research, Development and Engineering Center’s Aviation Development Directorate (ADD) is developing a new military helicopter engine that would provide 50% more power at the same weight as the currently fielded engine.

    According to Army Tech, the advanced affordable turbine engine (AATE) demonstrator program aims to develop a turboshaft engine with reduced fuel consumption and improved shaft horsepower.

    This engine configuration can be fitted into the Black Hawk and Apache installation envelopes, which are also in service in the IAF, as well as current and Future Vertical Lift rotorcraft.

    It is said to improve range and payload capability and increase hot and high operational capability for Apache and Black Hawk platforms.

    Two cost share arrangements for the engines have been awarded to General Electric and Advanced Turbine Engine Company, a joint venture of Honeywell and Pratt & Whitney.

    The AATE program culminated in 2014 with the completion of full engine system demonstrations, which included performance, durability, and sand tests.

    The demonstrations significantly mitigated the risks involved with transitioning advanced turboshaft engine technology to a planned program of record, known as the Improved Turbine Engine Program, the US Army said in a statement.
     
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    And in other news Brimstone integration trails for the AH-64 are going well.

    http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...g-complete-successful-brimstone-trials-apache

    MBDA has revealed that it successfully conducted a series of trials of the Brimstone missile from the Boeing AH-64E Apache. The news comes hot on the heels of the announcement on Monday that the UK is purchasing 50AH-64Es for the British Army. Brimstone is regarded as the weapon of choice to arm the helicopters.

    MBDA (Hall 3 Innovation Zone Stand B21, Outdoor Exhibition 10) conducted the trials in June at the Yuma Proving Ground in Arizona from a production AH-64E provided and modified by partner Boeing, the missile being fired from the Apache’s regular M299 four-round launcher.

    A number of firings of telemetry missiles with no warhead were undertaken, exploring variables such as: missile guidance modes (semi-active laser, millimetric-wave radar and dual-mode); different release altitudes, speeds and attitudes; high off-boresight angles; target types; and different designation sources (the AH-64’s MTADSsystem and fire control radar, and third-party laser).

    Known as Project Keme, the trials were undertaken as part of a UK MoD-funded three-phase integration process. The initial phase proved the feasibility of integration, followed by a nine-month rapid functional integration to allow the trials to be undertaken. Now the full integration third phase is under discussion, with the aim of clearing the weapon for AH-64E deployment.

    MBDA is developing a new iteration of the Brimstone for the Apache, dubbed FAHW (future attack helicopter weapon). However, the FAHW is just the next step in a spiral development that enhances Brimstone’s capabilities regardless of platform.
     

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