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Discussion in 'Indian Military Doctrine' started by jagjitnatt, Aug 25, 2010.

  1. Anish

    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Only 400km + as per Brahmos CEO.

    Nowhere we can see a range of 800-1000 km being stated.
     
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    surya kiran 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    @Agent_47

    The acknowledged range of the current one is 400-450 kms. An 800 km variant is under development and is expected to be ready around 2019. This was confirmed by BrahMos CEO Sudhir Mishra in aeroindia.
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    True ... we are only at 400 + km right now. For all targeting we take that as the figure :)
     
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    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    I think 400+ km variant is still under development as India joined MTCR in 2016 only.

    Most targeting would be done as per 290/300 ranges.
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    The Brahmos-1 will be upgraded to 650Km, we will see the flight test very soon.

    The next step is to upgrade it to 800Km and that will take 2.5 years. Probably the Brahmos-M.

    http://www.financialexpress.com/ind...-version-of-supersonic-cruise-missile/583856/
    Talking about the 800-km range missile, Mishra of BrahMos Aerospace said, “Many systems need to be reoriented and made for the enhanced range. But, I believe we will be ready with the new 800-km version of BrahMos within 2 years.”
     
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    LonewolfSandeep Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Not to forget S-300 system Indian Navy have & Barak-8 for defence (future maybe S400+ too, version of S500), plus stuff like kali5000 designed for carriers defense & offence - long distance sea skimming attack Bhramos Mach 3.5 whose kinetic energy be sufficient to break a large warship in half, let alone the warhead damage extra. Soon to be hypersonic Mac 6-7. S-manoeuvre in end - Stop if you can.
    Cheers - Only problem IST
     
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    SR-91 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Brahmos was extended to 400+ km range with only software updates after mtcr.

    Currently, Brahmos is going thru hardware changes and it's "official" range will be 800km.

    IMO, unofficial range will be over 1000km.
     
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    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    450 KM range tested in March end. 600 km range test was planned in June -july. It shall be increased to 800 KN within next 2 years.
     
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    Blue Marlin 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    the s300 is land based, the talwar frigates have the newer buck medium range missiles which i personally prefer to the barak 8. personally i think supersonic missiles are stupid (unless their are supersonic at terminal) as they are easier to detect than their stealthier subsonic counterparts. hypersonic missiles are only usefull if they are boosted full fat hgv (hypersonic glide vehicles) as they travel faster (mach10+) the brahmos 2 traveling at mach6-7 is in a weird scenario.

    also note during war time you dont need to sink a ship just disable it, thats keys and thats why the newer generation of antiship missiles are small subsonic
    examples such as the nsm, exocet blk3 harpoon blk2>, c802, and the rbs-15. look at those missiles and look at the brahmos.
     
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    For all targeting - we take that as the range, I repeat :)
     
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    He is saying the army always used 400+ Km as the actual range.

    The 290Km range was only for public consumption.
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    The Barak 8 is far superior to the Buk.

    The Japanese are developing the XASM-3, an air launched Brahmos.

    Brahmos 2 will come in two versions, a mach 5.5 version similar to current Brahmos and a mach 11-13 version. Both will be sea skimmers. The second one is more a UCAV than a missile.

    We operate these small subsonic missiles as well. We have the Harpoon, Exocet, Uran. The general consensus within the IN is while these small missiles can easily be stopped, the Brahmos cannot.
     
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    the japanese xasm-3 will light up on radar quicker than their subsonic counterparts and ir guided missiles will have no problem locking on and taking down such missiles down as they produce huge amounts of heat via exhaust and air friction.

    brahmos 2.................... lets see it for real then we will talk.

    specifically to india the harpoon is only on the p8 and that will show up 400+km away on radar and would likely be brought down before the p8 can get close enough to fire the harpoon. the exocet on the scorpene is an option but a risky as it would need to fire it at close range as there are blk2 missiles and that would expose the sub rough position. and using such a missile is stupid as torpedoes are preferred.

    im not so sure on the kh-35 i need to have a deeper look at them
     
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    LonewolfSandeep Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Naval Version S300 designed in 80's
    s300.jpg
    also had a russian article on Indian Navy S300, not finding presently, if required can search later.. But S300 for navy exists.
     
  15. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    You will be very surprised to know it works only in theory.

    IR detection is pointless when it is only 30 seconds away from hitting its target while skimming 3m above the surface.

    Harpoon's on our Jaguars also.
    http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...in-the-arabian-sea-for-the-first-time-2090223

    And Harpoons on aircraft are better than Harpoons on ships. Especially aircraft like the Jags which make their way towards the target only a few meters above the sea. Ships are terrible. They need to get way too close to the target.

    Harpoonski if you will.
     
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