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Brexit the chance for a united EU military?

Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by Sancho, Mar 30, 2017.

  1. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    France’s Trumpian Defense Policy


    http://carnegieeurope.eu/strategiceurope/68582
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    https://euobserver.com/foreign/135235
     
  3. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    The UK, which is likely to remain an EU member until at least 2019, and which has long-opposed EU defence integration,has threatened to veto the plans so long as it still held its seat in the EU Council. :rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Britain will veto EU army, says Defence Secretary


    For as long as the UK is a member of the EU, it will block plans for an EU army, says Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon

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    The UK would exercise its power of veto to block the creation of an EU army while it remains a member of the European Union, according to Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon.

    EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has spoken of the possibility of a “common military force” at a meeting of EU leaders in Bratislava, to which Britain was not invited.

    Sir Michael told The Times newspaper. "That is not going to happen. We are full members of the EU and we will go on resisting any attempt to set up a rival to Nato."

    France and Germany are understood to be behind the proposals. Europe’s defence ministers are due to meet next week and are expected to discuss the issue.

    "We have always been concerned about unnecessarily duplicating what we already have in Nato," Sir Michael said. The veto threat will further poison British relations with Brussels after the Brexit vote and harden attitudes in Germany and France against giving Theresa May concessions on access to Europe's single market.

    Diplomatic relations between the UK and the EU are already fraught. The UK vetoing significant EU policy while it simultaneously negotiates its exit from the union could have significant consequences.

    All previous steps toward creating a common EU military force have been vetoed by Britain.

    The most recent proposals, drafted by President Juncker, call on the EU to "establish permanent, structured co-operation in defence, including the creation of common battle groups to carry out military intervention in crises".

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel said the UK’s input on the issue would be sought via talks between Theresa May and European Council President Donald Tusk. "We need more co-operation, particularly in the area of defence, and a lot more needs to be done on the Franco-German plan," she said. "The UK remains a member of the EU and all of these issues have to be discussed."

    At a press conference with Mrs Merkel, President Hollande of France said: "The UK still has responsibilities."

    The Baltic states, where Nato battalions are currently in operation, are uneasy about the possibilty of an EU army that could replace Nato. Sir Michael has pledged extra troops for Nato battalions in Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and eastern Poland.

    "We will go on being committed to the security of the European continent," he said. "We are not going to back out of our commitment to keeping Europe secure but we don't want to see unnecessary bureaucracy at the EU level when we have got it in Nato."


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-eu-army-says-defence-secretary-a7313081.html
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Fortunatly they will leave Europe, they are parasits.
     
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    YarS Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Not only they, you know. Photo from French drills.
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    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    The main difference between the USA and where Europeans are concerned is the Europeans worry about going to war and the USA knows its going to war. Its just a matter of time.
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    That's rich. Parasites who pay the EU £10bn/year and provide employment, healthcare and education to 3.5 million of their citizens.

    I thought parasites were supposed to take. You may need to use a dictionary in future. I'd also ask where the 'e' is, but given your hallucinations it's more than clear that you took it before posting.
     
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    They're biding their time, looking for an opportunity to run away.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Question, what happens to the forces stationed in Scotland, if Scotland decides to remain in the EU and split from the UK? Do they have some share in the military stationed there and can they remain with some forces (ships, tanks or even fighters)?
     
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    Eight military sites in Scotland will close in the next 16 years, cutting the defence estate by 20%, the UK defence secretary has announced.

    Sir Michael Fallon said major Army bases at Fort George in the Highlands, Glencorse Barracks, near Penicuik, and Redford Cavalry and Infantry Barracks in Edinburgh would shut.

    Stirling's Meadowforth Barracks and three other bases will also close.

    They are among 56 sites which will shut across the UK.

    Naval base MoD Caledonia in Rosyth, Craigiehall Barracks in Edinburgh and Forthside Barracks in Stirling will also be shut down.

    Scotland cannot remove UK from its Sub base HMNB Clyde.

    Fort George, near Ardersier, will close as an active barracks in 2032.

    The closing dates for the bases are Meadowforth Barracks - 2022, Redford Cavalry Barracks - 2022, Redford Infantry Barracks - 2022, Fort George - 2032, Glencorse Barracks - 2032, MoD Caledonia - 2022, Forthside Stirling - 2022, Craigiehall Scottish Army HQ - 2018.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    http://www.defensenews.com/articles/scottish-independence-may-hurt-defense-industry-more-than-brexit

    Interesting
     
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    Makes sense.

    With the UK breaking away, and the USA adopting an isolationist posture, the prospect of united European defense will become more appealing. France is uniquely suited to benefit from it, thanks to its nuclear deterrence and competent army. Germany sees that the winds are changing; and as always they look for how they could get on top.

    So Germany ends up being in favor of something they long opposed, so that they can get in, and they can help shape it, and they'll shape it so that they can control it.
     
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    Who are parasites in the EU and who aren't in a simple graph.

    Juncker - Luxembourg.
    Verhofstadt - Belgium.
    Tusk - Poland.

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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    More than 2m Scots voted to remain in UK (85% voter turnout), only 1.6m voted to stay in EU (67% voter turnout).

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/scotland-decides/results
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results
     

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