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Britain should accept more immigrants if it wants a free trade deal - Senior Indian diplomat

Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by somedude, Nov 27, 2017.

  1. Wolfpack

    Wolfpack Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Science fields only take the best of the creamy layer, it is not a socialist scheme,where everyone who passed a exam automatically get a training position,they also look at the background research you did any other extras along with your Medical degree goes a long way in helping you land that training position.
    An example, suppose i and another doctor applied for a training position, I possess just a Medical degree,while the other along with Medical degree has a thesis or research paper submitted in a peer reviewed medical journal,in that case the other guy will get the training position as the bar has been raised for that position by the other guy and i dont make the cut.

    I still say no country wants to subdue and promote foreigners over its homegrown talent, if you think your country does that,then i can only question sanity and ask you to stop believing in Conspiracy theories.
    No not everyone who makes the grade gets to be a Medical graduate and even from Medical graduates not everyone becomes a Specialist.
     
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  2. BMD

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    You mean they're fussy, which is what I said. They use positive action to give the same jobs to mediocre ethnic minorities and then complain they need immigrants to fill the rest to increase the supply in the labour pool so that costs come down. It's all about increasing the surplus of labour supply to reduce their costs.

    And yet the one with the mediocre degree could still make an adequate doctor and save lives. Why not have 2 positions instead, rather than turning around later in the career progression and saying, "we have 2 specialist spots to fill and only one specialist. Shit how did that happen?" How do you think it happened you dumbasses?
     
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    So you mean to say that Brit employers prefer numb skulls .Strangely that pits your ethnicity as having the best possible chance of being employed .Yet You complain out here .

    Sure .blame everybody from the Soviets to the former communist bloc nations for ruining your work ethic and your employment prospects . The very fact that most Brit employers themselves have reservations employing their own countrymen as per you is telling .
     
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    Its not fussy, its just that they want the best qualified person for the job, any extras you carry makes your profile more attractive to potential hospitals who look out for people with extra qualifications,research etc. It is how the competitive world works. In,Medicine only the best get to make it, as you cant play with the lives of people by adopting some Socialist method to increase the number of training posts.
    A Mediocre degree person could be a good doctor provided he works hard enough for it. The number of positions depend on the number of training posts available in a certain hospital at Super Specialization level there are only 1 or 2 posts per year and the Deans want the absolute cream of the crop as their apprentices.Yes, the Deans are fussy as they don't want a bad name,if their apprentice screws up.

    If NHS builds more Hospitals automatically the number of training posts will also go up and i don't see NHS building any new Hospitals or Universities,UK as it doesn't have the budget,it is saturated with Medical Universities,there is no more room.So the number of posts will stay the same and competition for those posts will increase.
     
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    BMD's approach to everything from job prospects to career ones , to the economy and his tunnel vision on politics illustrate just about what's wrong with the current generation in the UK. They're used to a great deal of luxuries and a certain comfort zone which they will not abandon .In fact they're quite willing to sabotage anybody's attempts at putting the nation's well being over their own .

    To think just a few generations ago they ruled over a quarter of humanity . I guess this is how societies and nations slip into mediocrity and then oblivion .
     
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    I already pointed it out earlier,that people in UK have been pampered with Social welfare schemes a lot for a long time, they give 200 pounds per month for each kids maintenance, along with subsidy community housing,free schooling and free medical care.
    Why would any kid in such circumstances be willing to study hard or work hard to become a Doctor,Engineer etc. They would rather enjoy those freebies given by Government and waste their lives drinking away in a pub or worse get into gangs, drugs and crime as a junkie. They are used to these freebies and want to be spoonfed even now, it cant happen in this globalized world,where every country is competing with you.There are no more colonies and the coffers are running empty.
    If people in UK think with BREXIT they are going back to old glorious days,then they are disillusioned,they will only face even more tougher competition in future globalized world from countries like China,India,ASEAN and rest of Latin Americas.
     
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    As far as competition for Medical university goes, in just my state every year 3,00000 students partake in Medical qualifying exam ,where there are only 1000 spots for Medical and 1000 spots for Dental and 1000 spots for Physiotherapy every year, if you want to be a Doctor you need to be in the top 3000 to be eligible for a Medical college admission, i don't even want to talk about Post Graduation and Super Specialization competition you face later. I don't think kids in UK compete against such odds in a examination,that is why the complaints of not being able to make the cutoff list in science streams.
     
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    The advanced economies are all saturated, there is no further growth,that is why they are moving towards emerging markets.Shutting down investment will not matter much for emerging markets as they will sooner or later find a way to produce it themselves, just like India built its own Nuclear weapon despite strict regulations on Nuke technology and bomb making,no country stays stagnant for long nor is any country going to be on top forever unless they learn to evolve.
    Shutting Investment in emerging markets will only backfire on your so called advanced economies which run on credit, got no personal savings and more consumption each day.These advanced economies are not content at producing what they need for themselves and staying content with what they produce,they want to produce more and sell more everyday, in such case to whom will you sell your products to?
     
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    That's a very tiny portion of the population.

    There's something called overtime.

    British workers are proven to be lazy. IQ is not a proof of anything, only productivity is. Employers would choose British workers if the workers weren't more choosy than the employers.

    In India also, we choose employees based on their ethnicity because some of them are more disciplined and less choosy than others.
     
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    You can't move anything anywhere. If you do, you will be paying twice or thrice as much for everything and companies working in developing countries will corner market share in your own market.

    Dude, you can't defeat the idea of a free market. Or you can go the Soviet Union or Venezuela way. Brexit is something like that. The more protectionist you are, the more damaging it is for your employers. And when your employers are screwed, your economy is screwed. After that, nobody is going to come save you, you will only get exploited by others.

    You will be forced to send British workers to developing countries through Mode 4 for work.
     
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    Because it requires two more things -- Capital and Ease of doing business. Both are very hard to achieve in democracies. Why do you think manufacturing is moving out / has moved out of the West? Costlier and highly regulated.
    Lastly why should India play to her weakness? Manufacturing is a failed business all over world because of China. We should play by our strengths ie services.

    Nope. Export means manufacturing -- an inherently risky and failed business so long China exists. $100 K is actually very easy to achieve with 4-5 years of work experience in highly skilled employment. Oh, highly skilled folks are more than adapt in english. Heck you can even include an IELTS 8.0 or above as a requirement. BTW even a saving of 30 K USD sent back home is 900 billion. Nothing to scoff at.
    Its mutual. British folks coming to India will get the same benefit.
     
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    Capital could come from UK investments. I don't think giving up is the answer. Manufacturing has moved out of the UK because they can get cheaper labour elsewhere, but in India labour is cheap.

    Not necessarily, it can mean production. India has agricultural and chemical exports.

    $100k might be easily achieved in London, but not in the rest of the UK where living costs are much lower. If you had the jobs in India instead, the day-to-day living expenses would go back into the Indian economy.

    Why would British folks go to India to be paid less though? The trade deal you propose benefits mostly you and poses undefined risks for the UK.
     
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    A free market doesn't mean free movement. And nobody does want a truly free market because it would mean chaos capitalism and it wouldn't really be a democracy because corporations would run countries and the world. That's what the current backlash in the West is about. People want controlled, moderated capitalism and proper democracies.

    The employers have it far better than they make out. They need to be a lot less fussy and things will work out fine for them.

    Why would they go to India to earn less money than they do here?
     
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    No, it's huge. In areas like London, they're not even a minority anymore.

    There is if the employer pays for it. Unpaid overtime happens a lot anyway, e.g. Bombardier pays employees for 37 hours per week but fires them if they work less than 45 hours per week. So like I said, UK employers are fucking liars. That's why I became a contractor to get paid by the hour.

    No they aren't, it's a generalisation. If so, then why is the GDP/Capita 21 times that of India? "IQ not proof of anything" - that's what all thickos say. Employers only want to continuously drive down labour costs by lying and spamming the market with surplus labour.

    Then you are racist.
     
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    So. We will happily remain saturated with high GDP/Capita. Continual growth is a flawed aspiration, it can only end in the destruction of mankind and the planet.

    We will happily wait patiently until you saturate your own markets and achieve similar living standards, wages and costs and then there will be a level playing field. Only the billionaires will be crying in the interim.
     

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