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  1. Marqueur

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    Britain's 'invisible' stealth fighter that has cost the taxpayer £1.3billion and can't hide from enemy radar
    • F-35 Joint Strike Fighter can be spotted by Russian and Chinese radars
    • Ministry of Defence plans to buy 48 at a cost of £100million each
    • Experts say there has been a development in radar technology
    • Jets will fly from new Queen Elizabeth Class aircraft carrier in 2018
    By MARK NICOL

    PUBLISHED: 21:03 GMT, 3 May 2014 | UPDATED: 21:03 GMT, 3 May 2014


    The so-called stealth jet costing the MoD billions of pounds can, in fact, be seen by the radar of potential enemies, it has been revealed.

    The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter has been designed at huge expense to fly unnoticed through enemy airspace and attack targets without being detected.

    Taxpayers have already spent £1.3 billion developing the jet, while the MoD plans to buy 48 of them at a cost of up to £100 million each.


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    Huge cost: Taxpayers have already spent £1.3billion developing the F-35 jet, while the Ministry of Defence plans to buy 48 of them at a cost of up to £100million each



    But now, defence experts have revealed that the aircraft can be spotted by Russian and Chinese radar systems.

    Elizabeth Quintana, from the Royal United Services Institute, confirmed the stealth capability has been compromised and that the UK’s foes are poised to take advantage. She said: ‘There has been an evolution of radar technology and yes, we should be worried.

    The Russian air defence system might be able to spot the F-35 while the technology fitted to Chinese destroyers is concerning because you will have greater resolution and you will be able to tell with greater certainty what the plane is.


    ‘The key question is whether the F-35 would be able to engage first, before being spotted. How the aircraft is operated in combat will come into play.

    'The Russians are making a big push in anti-aircraft technology while the combination of technologies being used by the Chinese is interesting.’

    Mrs Quintana agreed that the F-35’s stealth capability had been one of its main assets. Asked how much of a blow the stealth problems are, she added: ‘It depends what you think you’re going to come up against. You take your chances.

    'The Army will argue that there is no point spending all this money and that we should be spending more on body armour and tanks.’


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    Future: The jets will fly from the Royal navy's new Queen Elizabeth Class aircraft carrier in 2018 at a cost of £4.8billion



    Defence Secretary Philip Hammond is committed to buying 48 of the jump-jet variants of the aircraft to fly from the Royal Navy’s new Queen Elizabeth Class aircraft carriers from 2018, at an estimated total cost of £4.8 billion.

    Until now the F-35’s invisibility – called ‘Very Low Observable’ or VLO stealth – had been achieved through its shape and paintwork, the formula for which is highly classified.

    Stealth aircraft use flat surfaces and sharp edges to deflect radar signals and evade detection. The new threat to the F-35 comes from a new system called AESA – Active Electronically Scanned Array – which works by emitting separate radio waves on different frequencies.

    By rapidly changing frequencies, the radar is more difficult to fool. China has incorporated AESA into a new radar system which it is fitting to its latest warships. The system is apparently capable of locating a stealth aircraft within 220 miles.


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    Military experts claim the jet, which is also used by the US Air Force, can be picked up on Russian and Chinese radars



    Meanwhile, UK and US fighter pilots are continuing to test fly prototypes of the F-35 at Elgin air base in Florida.

    Test flights have also revealed computer software problems and performance issues when the aircraft is flown in bad weather – including fears that the jet could explode if struck by lightning. Pilots have also criticised their high-tech helmets.

    The jet, which as a top speed of 1,300mph and a maximum range of 1,450 miles, combines technologies developed by British and US companies, including BAE, Rolls-Royce and Lockheed Martin, which is assembling the jets.

    Last night, the company was unavailable for comment, but the MoD said: ‘[F-35] is the most advanced combat jet in the world, and from 2018 will provide the Royal Navy and RAF with unprecedented stealth capability as well state-of-the-art sensors and weapons. The aircraft has been specifically designed to be updated throughout its lifetime to ensure it can benefit from new technology to counter emerging threats and keep ahead of our enemies.’




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    Must be those damn 'mango flies' again:devilwork:
     
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    The dailymail.co.uk, bless them :cheesy:
     
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    The article says
    The jet, which as a top speed of 1,300mph and a maximum range of 1,450 miles, combines technologies developed by British and US companies, including BAE, Rolls-Royce and Lockheed Martin, which is assembling the jets.

    Really that high speed and that much long range? Does it include the distance traveled by the carrier before launching the aircraft (about 700 miles)
     
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    And you got the nerv to critisize me over Voice of Russia?

    Get a life!
     
  6. BMD

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    The same story has been doing the rounds elsewhere in various guises.

    Air Forces Acquiring Fewer Fighters As Prices Rise | AWIN content from Aviation Week

    Volume 121, Issue 63 - The Tech

    Page 7:
    http://tech.mit.edu/V121/PDF/V121-N63.pdf
     
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    The F-35 was never designed to be invisible to VHF radar because VHF Radar is useless
     
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    how is it supposed to be useless when it can detect your ultimate fighter jet?:facepalm::facepalm::crazy::crazy:
     
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    Very short range, can't identify targets due to poor resolution, requires huge radars to works (very difficult/impossible to fit in a fighter aircraft) which are easy to detect and destroy.
     
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    Ever heard of a Ground Controlled Interception, btw most weather radars can emit VHF waves...
    Maybe thats why India is building a Coastal weather radar chain :troll:
     
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    The concept would be to destroy the full ADN with fully stealth weapons before sending in the F-35's
     
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    So they are gonna use Raptors for SEAD .. righhhtttt....
    Cruise missiles wont work against stronger opposition .. So that leaves the raptors to do SEAD
     
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    what are those fully stealth weapons? and what is the use of stealth in f-35 when all the ADNs are destroyed? one can simply use non stealth planes which can carry more weapons and more faster and cheaper to operate.
     
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    The F-35 is required to maintain air superiority once the ADN is taken out. So, its stealth capabilities can be used against remaining enemy aircraft.

    Lesser capable ADN networks could still be functional after the F-22s are done with the first rung work. Something the F-35 can handle.

    After all is said and done, both F-22 and F-35 can also carry external weapons.

    Think of a F-35 with external loads, that would be equal to Rafale and Typhoon in many roles. Think of a F-35 with only internal weapons, Rafale/Typhoon can no longer be compared. This is the capability you are paying for, something almost all the rich air forces are working towards.
     
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