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  1. randomradio

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    I think that what I have compute is close to true so in 2023 UK will have around 180 aircraft and after that they will retire the remaining Tranche1 as soon as they deploy more F-35 keeping the total number at 180, then retirement of Tranche 2 and finally Tranche 3 except tranche 3 AESA. So at the end they will have 138 F-35 B and 42 Tranche 3.
     
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    Either way, SDR says the Tr1s will be kept on and Typhoon life extended until 2040 with updates and there are 160 Typhoons ordered in total and 138 F-35s. So there will be 160 Typhoons and 138 F-35s by 2028-2030 regardless of squadron size.
     
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    In 2023, I would imagine 160 Typhoons and assuming 12-20 F-35s rolled out every year from 2018, anywhere from 60-100 F-35s. When Tr1s reach the end of service life, that is probably when the mentioned upgrades will take place with advanced Typhoon variants replacing the Tr1s and then Tr2s, such that Typhoon quantity remains 120-160 strong.
     
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    British Army's new cannon takes its ammo on the side

    British Army's new cannon takes its ammo on the side
    David Szondy March 23, 2016

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    The new 40 mm Cased Telescoped Cannon System will be installed on British Army Ajax and Warrior (seen here) armored vehicles. View gallery (2 images)

    The British Army has taken delivery of its first completely new cannon system in 50 years – and it loads sideways. This loading system on the new 40mm Cased Telescoped Cannon System, which was handed over to the British Ministry of Defence (MoD) in Bourges, France by CTA International (CTAI), is claimed to provide more firepower while saving space.

    According to BAE Systems, which is a 50/50 partner in CTAI along with Nexter Systems, the delivery is the first of 515 40mm cannons for the British Army's Warrior and Ajax armored fighting vehicles. The new system has been in development since the 1990s and has undergone extensive testing.

    The key to the new 40 mm gun is its Cased Telescoped ammunition. Instead of using traditional bullet-shaped rounds with the projectile upfront and a cannister of propellant behind, Cased Telescoped ammunition consists of a straight tube with the projectile inside the tube completely surrounded by propellant and a plug in front that provides a gas-tight seal to drag the shell along. BAE says that this gives the shell four times the power of the previous 30 mm round.

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    Currently, the Cased Telescoped rounds are available in armor piercing and training forms, but a practice tracer round, general purpose round-point penetrating, programmable airburst, and anti-aircraft rounds are under development.

    As to the cannon itself, it uses a new rotating breech system, where the rounds are loaded at a 90-degree angle to the barrel, then rotated into firing position. Loading a new round ejects the spent tube outside the vehicle and the rotating breech allows for significant savings in space. The new 40 mm cannon takes up about the same space as the 30 mm it replaces, and allows more storage space for additional ammunition and more cabin space for the crew.

    "This next-generation cannon has been developed through close Anglo-French collaboration and adds significantly to the capability of the UK and our NATO allies," says Minister of State for Defence Procurement Philip Dunne. "The delivery of the first cannon on our Ajax vehicles is another example of how our £178 billion investment in UK Defence is ensuring our Armed Forces have the equipment they need."
     
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    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/09/europe/britain-royal-navy-warships/index.html

    Britain's Royal Navy warships are breaking down because sea is too hot
    Bianca Britton, for CNN

    Updated 1903 GMT (0303 HKT) June 9, 2016


    (CNN)Britain's £1bn ($1.4bn) warships are losing power in the Persian Gulf because they cannot cope with the warm waters, MPs have been told.

    Six Type 45 destroyers have repeatedly experienced power outages because of the temperatures, leaving servicemen in complete darkness.
    During the Defence Committee hearing on Tuesday, MPs questioned company executives about the warship failures.
    "The equipment is having to operate in far more arduous conditions that were initially required," Rolls-Royce director Tomas Leahy said.
    Managing director of BAE Systems Maritime, John Hudson, supported Leahy's comments, adding: "The operating profile at the time was that there would not be repeated or continuous operations in the Gulf."


    Leahy told MPs that turbines do not generate as much power when they run in a hot environment, which is not recognized by the system.
    "This is when you get your total electrical failure," Leahy explained.
    "Suddenly, you have lost your main generator on your system and you are plunged into darkness."
    However, a spokesperson from Britain's Ministry of Defence (MoD) denied this, telling CNN: "The Type 45 was designed for world-wide operations, from sub-Arctic to extreme tropical environments, and continues to operate effectively in the Gulf and the South Atlantic all year round."
    MPs were shocked when they heard about the failures.
    "I'm just absolutely stunned," said Douglas Chapman from the Scottish National Party.
    "It's a £1 billion asset that you're putting into a war zone, and we don't know if these people will go in there and come back out alive because there might be a problem with the power system on the ship. I'm just astounded."

    The British MoD says Type 45 destroyers are the most advanced warships ever built by Britain and are the backbone of the Royal Navy's air defense capability. They first went into service in 2006, and are due to last 30 years.
    The committee also raised fears about the cost of repairing the ships and whether it would delay the release of Type 26 frigates which are to replace older vessels.
    "If this were a major war, our 19 destroyers and frigates are effectively 13," Former First Sea Lord Alan West explained in the meeting.
    "I think that our nation is making a terrible error in allowing this to happen ... I understand they have a program for resolving it, but it should be being done much more quickly."
    West warned further delays would leave the UK "grossly inadequate" for required tasks.
    "There is almost no extra money available this year, and we are really strapped next year. The Government aren't coming clean about that," West said.
    "We have run out of money, effectively. Therefore, they [MoD] have pushed this program to the right and that is bloody dangerous."
    CNNMoney's Alanna Petroff contributed to this report.

    This is bloody hilarious.
     
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    Indeed, especially this bit:

    "The operating profile at the time was that there would not be repeated or continuous operations in the Gulf."

    That's a Labour government for you. I expect this will be rectified though.
     
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    Type 45 destroyers are the most advanced warships ever built by Britain and are the backbone of the Royal Navy's air defense capability. It's a concern for me after all GB is a friendly country, and these boats are sometimes participating in protecting aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle.
     
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    India deals with this situation on a regular basis. We want our weapons to work in the hottest and the coldest of conditions so imported weapons always face one teething problem or the other and more of them are not ordered unless it's fixed.

    But this is a really big teething problem. I mean the Indian Navy made a really big deal of the Gorshkov situation when the ship couldn't handle 30 knots, it would overheat above 28 knots.

    I would have understood if the Type 45 was forced to operate at lower speeds in hot conditions, but this is ridiculous.
     
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    Well we don't know the speeds that caused failure to be fair, but it shouldn't happen anyway. The worst admission to me is that the ships were actually built to spec but the spec was wrong.
     
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    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...service-entry-as-part-of-uk-crowsnest-409290/

    Thales offers early service entry as part of UK Crowsnest bid

    • 23 FEBRUARY, 2015
    • BY: DOMINIC PERRY
    • LONDON


    Thales UK is confident that a promise of early delivery, allied to claims of low cost and simplicity, will help swing the UK defence ministry’s Crowsnest contest in its favour following submission of final bids last month.

    The winner of the around £500 million ($769 million) competition will outfit ten role-fit kits to outfit the Royal Navy's AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin HM2 helicopters with a new airborne early warning radar and mission capability. These will replace the service’s outgoing Sea King 7 Airborne Surveillance and Control (ASaC) rotorcraft which will be progressively retired from 2016.

    Although facing competition from Lockheed Martin for the requirement – and confusingly the US firm is also prime contractor for the navy’s Merlin upgrade programme – Matt Avison, sales director ISR and defence mission systems at Thales UK, believes its “balanced” offer will prevail.

    “We recognise that in this age of austerity there is not a lot of money to splash around on gold-plated solutions,” he says.

    Thales has proposed a revamped and modernised version of its Cerberus system and Searchwater 2000 radar currently in use on the ASaC Sea King fleet. In contrast Lockheed’s Vigilance system uses a pair of active electronically scanned array (AESA) radars supplied by Israeli firm Elta Systems.

    Avison warns that the navy cannot afford the risk of “having a technology demonstrator” replace its existing AEW coverage, particularly once the service’s flagship aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth enters service in 2018.

    “Our view is that an AESA radar will not be sufficiently robust in the timeframe the navy requires and that it is not the most technically advantageous solution,” he says.

    “This has got to work from day one. When Crowsnest comes in the Queen Elizabeth will be at sea and we can’t afford to be without force protection. We did that before [during the Falklands War] and it didn’t end so well.”

    The UK defence ministry requires Crowsnest to be operational from 2018 when the last of the ASaC Sea Kings is retired. However, Thales says it can deliver a fully operational system 12 months ahead of schedule.

    “We can offer operational capability before [Sea King] ASaC goes out of service,” says Avison.

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    AgustaWestland

    He points out that over 50% of the existing hardware will be re-used and that converting operators of the current system onto the upgraded variant will also be relatively straightforward.

    Flight tests to check the fitment of the side-mounted, hinged radar assembly – which continues to use a distinctive inflatable radome - on the Merlin HM2 were conducted in November last year from AgustaWestland’s Yeovil facility in the southwest of the UK.

    Around eight sorties were performed, says Avision, with no significant problems detected. “Two or three” minor issues have since been addressed, he says.

    Final offers were submitted by both bidders to the defence ministry at the end of January, with a decision anticipated early in the second quarter.

    And regardless if it is successful in the Crowsnest contest, Avison says there are “other nations interested in this solution” for both fixed- and rotary-wing platforms.
     
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    http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...rade-cleared-state-department-ah64e/71303224/

    WASHINGTON and LONDON — The US Department of State has cleared a major upgrade of attack helicopters for the UK, potentially worth $3 billion.

    The remanufacture of 50 UK WAH-64 Mk 1 attack helicopters to AH-64E Apache Guardian helicopters will “allow the United Kingdom greater interoperability with U.S. forces,” according to a notice posted Thursday on the website of the Defense Security Cooperation Agency.

    The UK Ministry of Defence confirmed in a statement Friday that it has also invited British helicopter manufacturer AgustaWestland to come up with a proposal to undertake work to bring the Apache helicopters up to the -E standard.

    The assessment phase on the program ends in spring 2016. A decision on how the British government intends to proceed in securing –E standard helicopters is expected in the summer of 2016 after publication of the Strategic Defence and Security review towards the end of this year

     
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    RAF hints that UK could still opt for mixed F-35 fleet

    08 JULY, 2016 BY: BETH STEVENSON

    A Royal Air Force official has revealed that the UK has not ruled out acquiring a mixed fleet of Lockheed Martin F-35s, as the short take-off and vertical landing F-35B that is currently contracted carries out its first display to the British public.

    Speaking at the Royal International Air Tattoo on 8 July, where a British F-35B flew, along with US Marine Corps aircraft and US Air Force F-35As, Air Cdre Linc Taylor, assistant chief of staff for capability delivery, combat air said the UK’s commitment to a full acquisition of 138 aircraft may leave room for discussions on also operating the conventional take-off and landing variant.

    The UK committed to the acquisition of all planned F-35s in its Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR) released in November 2015, although this raised questions about whether it might consider acquiring a mixed fleet of the type.

    “What we will do as we go forward into the next SDSR – we have reaffirmed our intent to buy the 138 in the last SDSR – we will look at air force mix,” Taylor told journalists at RIAT. “There is an absolute benefit to maximising combat air power with interoperability with [Eurofighter] Typhoons and the capability from the [Royal Navy's future aircraft] carrier.

    “We will look at all of those options as we go forward into the next SDSR.”

    The F-35 is making its long-awaited debut in the UK, after it failed to appear two years ago following an engine fire. The type is flying at RIAT and the Farnborough air show during July.

    British ministerial and military representatives associated with the programme praised the aircraft and its appearance in the UK, claiming that the nation is on track to declare its land-based initial operating capability (IOC) by December 2018, followed by the same status at-sea in 2020.

    The UK will have 24 frontline aircraft by 2023, which the same year will form into two operational squadrons.

    “We will be the first international partner to reach IOC,” Taylor says.

    Aircraft are currently in the Block 3i software configuration, which will evolve to 3F and eventually Block 4. Taylor says that while all F-35s are aligned across the programme, the UK has a specific list of weapon requirements that it wants to see in the latter standard. This includes the integration of MBDA Meteor, Spear 3 and Block 6 Asraam missiles, plus the introduction of Raytheon Systems' Paveway IV tactical penetrator.

    Meanwhile, it was also announced at RIAT that the US government has awarded F-35 engine provider Pratt & Whitney a $1.5 billion low-rate initial production (LRIP) contract for the tenth lot of F135 powerplants.

    This will cover the provision of 99 engines for all three F-35 variants, and when combined with previously awarded long-lead and sustainment contracts means the LRIP 10 deal for P&W amounts to $1.95 billion.

    The company says that compared to the previous LRIP production contract, unit prices for 86 F-35A and F-35C propulsion systems were reduced by 2.6%, and unit prices for 13 LRIP 10 F-35B propulsion systems, including Rolls-Royce lift systems, were reduced by 4.2%.
     
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    Brimstone being tested on AH-64E for RAF.

    http://www.army-technology.com/news...e-missile-on-apache-ah-64e-helicopter-4951672

    MBDA and Boeing test Brimstone missile on Apache AH-64E helicopter
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    MBDA and Boeing have successfully tested the Brimstone missile for Apache AH-64E attack helicopters.

    The precision attack weapon was evaluated during several trials and test-firings with the UK's future Apache AH-64E fleet.

    The trials validated a prior UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) study contract that confirmed integration was expected to be low risk, MBDA said in a statement.

    Fully telemetered missiles were test-fired to demonstrate the weapon's semi-active laser (SAL), dual mode SAL / millimetric wave (mmW) and fully autonomous mmW guidance modes.

    Boeing flight test engineer Mesa AZ said: “The mmW autonomous shot from a moving and banking platform against an off-axis target with the missile hitting the MBT turret ring was the most aggressive shot I have seen in my 30 years of the Apache programme.”

    The weapon was tested against tanks and pickup trucks in hovering, manoeuvring and banking scenarios.

    "UK MoD is working together with MBDA to develop the missile capability the British Army requires.”
    UK MoD FMC-WECA complex weapons senior responsible officer Dai Morris said: “UK MoD is working together with MBDA to develop the missile capability the British Army requires.

    “Brimstone is part of a family of capabilities, which in addition to the needs of the warfighter, will be aimed at delivering wider benefits, including pan-platform utility, stockpile resilience and better overall value for money for defence.”

    The programme was funded by a UK MoD contract that was awarded to MBDA in September 2015.

    The contract covers a range of environmental and sensor compatibility tests, as well as functional and avionic trials to demonstrate new platform software and functionality.
     

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