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Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by HMS Astute, Aug 23, 2014.

  1. BMD

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    @BMD @Blue Marlin

    BBC documentary Min 1 to min 5---

    'QE is Britain's biggest spending cockup'
    'Costs shot up from 3 Billion to 6 Billion and rising' (only for the ships)
    'Costs might actually be 12 Billion for the 2 carriers'
    'They couldn't scrap it because it would have cost them more' -- I can understand why the Indian Navy rejected this. 6 Billion a piece- you MUST be out of your mind. Hell we can build a nuclear crrier in 3. At USD 6B we can sanction a 100KT nuclear ship with EMALS



     
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    Wrong. Gerald R Ford unit cost is $10.44bn and program cost is a further $36.3bn as of 2015.

    Remember how I was telling you about the woes of a free press earlier? Well this is it.
     
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    http://www.defensenews.com/articles...-fix-for-britishs-destroyer-propulsion-system


    Rolls-Royce claims progress on fix for British destroyer's propulsion system
    By: Andrew Chuter, June 29, 2017 (Photo Credit: L(PHOT) Dave Jenkins/British Royal Navy)
    BRISTOL, England — A key part of the fix planned for the British Royal Navy’s Type 45 destroyer’s unreliable propulsion system is ready to be operationally tested for the first time, according to a top executive at Rolls-Royce's Marine division.

    A modified recuperator section installed on one of the two WR-21 gas turbines, which help power each Type 45 anti-air destroyer, has already gone through trials off the British coast, said Tomas Leahy, the director of global naval programs at Rolls-Royce. The warship is scheduled to start operational trials when it deploys later this year, he added.

    The recuperator recovers heat from the exhaust of the WR-21 gas turbines and recycles it into the engine, improving fuel efficiency.

    “We are confident we have a working solution," Leahy said. "The vessel has done some running around the U.K. We have done an inspection on the recuperator and it’s all looking very positive.

    “The vessel is due on deployment later this year to warmer [climates] and that will be the official sea trial for the modification. We will do a mid-deployment inspection; when she gets back we will do a further inspection to ensure it is performing.”

    Leahy briefed reporters about the company's marine activities during a visit to its Bristol, England, site.
     
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    yes, that is why the budget for QE went up from 1.5 Billion to 6 billion....
     
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    That made no sense.
     
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    http://www.defensenews.com/articles...on-deal-from-uk-for-anti-sub-warfare-frigates


    BAE Systems gets green light on $4.9 billion deal from UK for anti-sub warfare frigates
    By: Andrew Chuter, July 1, 2017 (Photo Credit: Courtesy of BAE Systems)
    LONDON -The British government has given the green light to BAE Systems to build three Type 26 anti-submarine warfare frigates in a deal worth around £3.7 billion, or U.S. $4.9 billion, Defence Secretary Michael Fallon announced.

    The deal is the first batch of a fleet of eight warships due to be handed over to the Royal Navy to replace the current Type 23 frigates for escorting the new Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers and protecting the nuclear submarine fleet as they come and go from their base in Scotland.

    No precise delivery timelines for the new warships have been given by the MoD, but a BAE spokesman said the ship was scheduled to be accepted by the Royal Navy around the mid-2020s.

    That would suggest a delay of a couple of years past the original timescale. Previously the two sides had been working towards having the first warship available for operations in 2023, when the first of the Type 23s, HMS Argyll, was due to be pensioned off.

    The first of the new aircraft carriers started sea trials last week and is expected to start its first operational deployment in 2021, protected by updated Type 23s.

    The Royal Navy had originally been scheduled to receive 13 of the Type 26s, but five of the warships were axed in the 2015 strategic defense and security review. Alternatively, those will eventually be replaced by a new general purpose frigate known as the Type 31. The Type 31 program remains undefined, and industry executives here said there is no real money yet available to get the project underway.

    That said, signing of the Type 26 contract after around three years of fierce negotiations over price and terms and conditions might provide a boost for the marine industry here beyond the local market. The deal will reassure potential export buyers the program is going ahead roughly to schedule, said the executives.

    Australia and Canada are expected to go forward with a new frigate program in the next few months and the Type 26 is a contender for both requirements.

    Commenting on the deal, Fallon said: “The contract is structured to ensure value for taxpayers ’ money and, importantly, now designed to protect them from extra bills from project overrun. The investment will secure hundreds of skilled jobs at BAE Systems on the Clyde for the next 20 years, and thousands of jobs in the supply chain across Britain. ”

    The MoD said in a statement the contract was “specifically structured to motivate both sides to deliver to a successful outcome, where both parties share in the pain and gain in the delivery of the programme.”

    BAE and Britain’s cash-strapped Ministry of Defence had originally been expected to cut steel on the first of the 6,900 tonne warships around this time last year, but the prolonged negotiations resulted in the deal only being concluded a few weeks ago. The official announcement was held up by last month’s general election.

    The delay in completing negotiations has been mitigated by a series of long-lead item contracts to key equipment suppliers and demonstration phase work with BAE to mature the design.

    The £3.7 billion price tag for the three ships includes money already spent on long-lead items, ongoing development costs and some infrastructure work being paid for by the MoD at BAE’s two yards in Glasgow, Scotland, where the warships will be built.

    In a briefing with reporters last week, executives at Rolls-Royce Marine said the first of three MT30 gas turbines ordered under the long-lead time arrangement had already been delivered to BAE’s Glasgow yards where the warships are to be built.

    Rolls-Royce is set to be a major beneficiary of the program. Aside from supplying one MT30 package per warship the company is providing a range of equipment including steering gear, rudders, propellers and mission bay handling systems. Its German subsidiary MTU is supplying diesel generators.

    The MoD said the contract for the second batch of five ships is not expected to be negotiated until the early 2020s.
     
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    I agree, we should be spending 3% of GDP on defence IMO.
     
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    Fairly sure the radar will be AESA given that the ones on the Type 45, 26 and QE Class are.

    Artisan is better than APAR.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Phased_Array_Radar

    APAR has four fixed (i.e., non-rotating) sensor arrays (faces), fixed on a pyramidal structure. Each face consists of 3424 transmit/receive (TR) modules operating at X band frequencies.[1]

    The radar provides the following capabilities:

    • air target tracking of over 200 targets out to 150 km[1]
    • surface target tracking of over 150 targets out to 32 km[1]
    • horizon search out to 75 km[1]
    • "limited" volume search out to 150 km[1] (in order to back up the volume search capabilities of the SMART-L)
    • cued search (a mode in which the search is cued using data originating from another sensor)
    • surface naval gunfire support[1]
    • missile guidance using the Interrupted Continuous Wave Illumination (ICWI) technique, thus allowing guidance of 32 semi-active radar homing missiles in flight simultaneously, including 16 in the terminal guidance phase[2]
    • "innovative" Electronic Counter-Countermeasures (ECCM)[1]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_997_Artisan_radar

    The Type 997 Artisan has a range of 200 m - 200 km (110 nmi) at 30 RPM and is reportedly capable of tracking more than 900 targets at once. BAE Systems state that Artisan is capable of tracking targets the size of small birds or tennis balls travelling at Mach 3 with "unrivalled detection performance and world beating electronic protection measures against even the most complex jammers".[2][3]
     
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