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Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by HMS Astute, Aug 23, 2014.

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    http://www.defensenews.com/articles/pentagon-seeks-increased-p-8-ties-with-norway-uk


    Pentagon seeks increased P-8 ties with Norway, UK
    By: Aaron Mehta, July 3, 2017 (Photo Credit: Boeing)
    WASHINGTON — The United States, United Kingdom and Norway have agreed in principal to create a trilateral coalition built around the P-8 maritime aircraft — though exactly what that means remains unclear.

    The Pentagon announced June 29 that the three countries had established a “statement of intent to lay out guiding principles for a trilateral partnership with P-8A aircraft.” In addition, the announcement said the nations are working on a “framework for further cooperation in areas such as readiness, enhancing defense capability, and interoperability.”

    A defense official, speaking on background, told Defense News that nothing is “set in stone,” and this is just a first step toward coordinating around the aircraft. Potential areas of cooperation include joint operations in the North Atlantic, information sharing and the possibility of co-locating maintenance and training assets.

    The last point would seem to build on a November pledge between the U.K. and Norway to find ways to jointly drive down costs for the maritime surveillance plane. The U.K. plans on buying nine P-8s, while Norway has agreed to purchase five of the Boeing-made planes.
     
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    "The pounds-to-dollar exchange rate is particularly important for the British Ministry of Defence, which has agreed to buy high-dollar value items such as Lockheed Martin’s F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, Boeing’s P-8 maritime surveillance aircraft and General Atomics’ MQ-9 UAV, among others. Some analysts have warned that the U.K. could be overcommitted to the tune of £20 billion (U.S. $25.8 billion) over the next 10 years unless the MoD can deliver large efficiency savings."

    "At the same time, the secretary acknowledged that decisions made in the 2015 Strategic Security and Defence Review, or SSDR, need to be assessed with the post-Brexit world in mind."

    http://www.defensenews.com/...

    "Britain is being forced to pour millions of pounds of new funds into the troubled F-35 stealth fighter programme being developed in America and considered a vital part of the UK’s future defences. [...] But huge problems remain unresolved, in particular with the F-35’s advanced software, on which the whole project rests. The software is supposed to be the plane’s “brain”, running everything from ensuring a steady supply of parts to relaying masses of data to the pilot’s visor during combat."

    "The British government has refused to publish an estimate of the overall cost of the 138 F-35s it is to buy, as well as its contribution to development costs, but the figure will run into the tens of billions."

    https://www.theguardian.com...

    United Kingdom – 10 in use for testing; 14 on order, with 42 (24 FOC fighters and 18 training aircraft) to be fast-tracked by 2023; 138 F-35s total planned

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

    Meanwhile the F-35 leashold subscription program is getting a $5.6B prepayment to start working on LRIP 11, although the contract is not finalized.

    "We are confident that the final negotiated Lot 11 aircraft unit prices will be less than Lot 10,”

    http://www.defensenews.com/...
     
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    @BMD F-35A for RAF? Or RN now realises F-35C was way to go ?
     
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    As suspected for a long time it will be F-35As and F-35Bs. F-35Cs are out because the QEs can't operate them and they're inferior to As from land. As will have a few niche weapons that the Bs can't carry like JSM and AARGM-ER. Good Tornado replacement.
     
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    One of the more common myths busted.

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/no-america-doesnt-control-britains-nuclear-weapons/

    Home Analysis No, America doesn’t control Britain’s nuclear weapons
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    No, America doesn’t control Britain’s nuclear weapons

    One of the most common myths around the system is that the United States has control over the UK’s Trident missile system, that is not the case.

    The Trident missile system is housed on the UK’s four Vanguard class submarines which form the UK’s strategic nuclear missile force. Each of the four boats are armed with up to 16 Trident II D5 SLBMs, carrying up to 8 warheads each.


    The Royal Navy has operated the UK’s Continuous at Sea Deterrent since 1967 when the first SSBN – or Ship Submersible Ballistic Nuclear – HMS Resolution began patrolling armed with the Polaris missile system.

    In 1996 HMS Vanguard, the first submarine armed with the Trident missile system, arrived on the Clyde and took over deterrent patrol duties from the Resolution Class.
    The four Vanguard-class submarines form the UK’s strategic nuclear deterrent force.

    It’s often said that the UK’s Trident nuclear weapons system is not ‘independent’ or that the UK doesn’t have the ability to use the system without the US agreeing to it, in reality however that is simply not the case.

    Who controls Trident?
    It’s often said that the UK’s Trident nuclear weapons system is not ‘independent’ or that the UK doesn’t have the ability to use the system without the US agreeing to it, in reality the UK does retain full operational control over the system.

    One common argument is that the US can simply ‘turn off’ the GPS system and therefore can stop the UK using Trident, this is also a myth, Trident isn’t guided by satellite.

    The missile uses a kind of stellar sighting guidance system and inertial navigation to take a reading from the stars to work out the missile’s position and make any adjustments necessary. They do not require GPS.

    One source for the confusion could be the fact that, aside from those currently deployed, the missiles are held in a communal pool at the US Strategic Weapons facility at King’s Bay, Georgia, USA where maintenance and in-service support of the missiles is undertaken at periodic intervals.

    The missiles are jointly maintained, this is much cheaper than the UK doing it on its own and does not give the United States control over any of the weapons deployed on the submarines.

    Does the system require American codes to launch?
    American operated Trident missiles are controlled through the US Navy chain of command by the US President. ‘Permissive action link technology’ prevents anyone other than the president or someone he has delegated control to authorising a launch.

    In 2007, the UK Government revealed that its nuclear weapons were not equipped with Permissive Action Links. Instead, the UK’s nuclear bombs to be dropped by aircraft were armed by just inserting a key into a simple lock similar to those used to protect bicycles from theft, the UK withdrew all air-launched bombs in 1998. The current UK Trident warheads can also be launched by a submarine commander with the support of his crew without any code being transmitted from the chain of command.

    The British missiles are controlled through the Royal Navy chain of command all the way up to the Prime Minister. In reality the Prime Minister would make the launch decision in concert with whatever was left of the British government.

    The key point here is that the British deterrent does not have permissive action link control, which means it does not rely on the use of codes to fire the system. The UK’s Trident fleet relies purely on military discipline to prevent a launch.

    In summary, the UK retains full operational control, to the extent that the US could not stop the UK from using the system. A Freedom of Information request proving that the United Kingdom has full operational control over its Trident missile system can be downloaded here.
     

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