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British Ministers Run Into a Brick Wall in India

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  1. GSLV Mk III

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    BRITISH MINISTERS RUN INTO A BRICK WALL IN INDIA

    Three British Cabinet ministers, plus the governor of the Bank of England and two other government ministers, trooped through India just before Easter in a seemingly desperate bid to drum up support from their largest former colony as Brexit looms—and before, following today’s announcement, they start campaigning for the U.K.’s June 8 general election.

    They were well received by the Indian government, but the U.K. no longer rates as one of India’s leading foreign relationships, and they made little impression outside their formal meetings. This revived memories of visit splurges staged to little effect by former Prime Minister David Cameron.

    Two prominent investment bankers in Mumbai said “zero” and “none” when I asked about the impact of the visit by Philip Hammond, chancellor of the exchequer, who brought Mark Carney, the Bank of England governor, with him. “I didn’t know they were here,” said the head of a large business group.

    Shashi Tharoor, a provocative Indian member of Parliament, author and former top United Nations official, seems, by contrast with the ministers, to have made much more impact in the U.K., where last month he was publicizing his best-selling book, Inglorious Empire, which castigates the British for what he sees as its cruel and economically debilitating rule in India.

    The comparison may appear unfair, but Tharoor has kicked off a debate about Britain’s failure to acknowledge its misdeeds. His book, titled An Era of Darkness, in its original Indian edition, has sold over 40,000 copies since it was published last November, making it the top title for Aleph, its publisher.

    Tharoor has suggested that Britain should apologize for plundering the Indian economy and for horrors such as the Amritsar massacre in 1919 of hundreds of nonviolent protesters and pilgrims.

    There is a Brexit link with Tharoor’s lucid and sometime passionate arguments because he is stirring up anti-colonial memories just as Britain is hoping that the 52 Commonwealth former colonies will give it a special welcome when it comes to negotiate bilateral trade deals.

    There is even talk of a surely improbable multilateral deal with the Commonwealth, an international association that achieves little but is seeking new roles for its biennial Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting assembly in London early next year.

    The risk is that Tharoor is stirring up post-colonial angst that could generate tougher trade deal negotiations and even opposition to Britain. That seems unlikely to happen in India, which is much more concerned with U.K. visa problems faced by Indian businessmen and students.

    The British civil service has not helped by dubbing its Commonwealth ambitions as Empire 2.0 (initially for an Africa free trade zone). The Timesbhas reported that the title was coined by skeptical officials worried about the high priority being given by ministers to trade deals with Commonwealth nations, but it is now being seen as misplaced old imperial ambition.

    The British ministers’ visits to India were mostly focused on meetings of annual “dialogues” on specific subjects. They were also reported in the U.K. to be part of a drive called by Theresa May for ministers to spend the Easter break selling Britain abroad. Liam Fox the trade minister, toured Southeast Asia, and May went to the Middle East (West Asia).

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    Arun Jaitley, India’s finance minister, gave Hammond and his colleagues a good reception, saying that the U.K. was “looking at a different kind of relationship with India” and there was “a huge aspiration in India itself also to add to and improve upon that relationship.” The talks would take the relationship to “an entirely different level,” said Jaitley, using a stock Indian expression that usually means little, if anything.

    Two-way merchandise trade between India and the U.K. has fallen in recent years to around $14 billion, though both countries are among the top three investors in each other’s economy.

    Part of Hammond’s focus was on expanding services trade, especially financial services, building on rupee-dominated “masala bonds” that were launched in London last year to raise funds for India’s infrastructure. He offered financing for India’s “Make in India” campaign, though that project’s problem is less to do with finance than finding foreign companies that will generate manufacturing jobs.

    Related: Theresa May's India mission shows brand Britain is losing its edge

    These were good workman-like talks but scarcely justified the sudden mass of ministerial visits, nor the strange attachment of the Bank of England governor, who is supposedly independent of government and could have made a splash on his own.

    Also with Hammond was Commercial Secretary Baroness Neville-Rolfe and International Trade Minister Mark Garnier, plus, on a separate energy mission, Secretary of State for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy Greg Clark.

    The final minister was probably the most focused, though his main aims were long term. Michael Fallon, the defense secretary, brought a posse of army and air force officers and set his sights on developing design and manufacturing relationships, with the prospect of the sort of high technology transfer that India wants.

    He also offered to advise India on how to improve and reform its massive defense establishment, explaining in great detail how Britain had transformed its over-large and inefficient operations.

    He also talked about new orders for Britain’s Hawk trainer jet, which is assembled in India, and for a more advanced version, though the U.K. has been less successful than the U.S., Russia and France in gaining major orders in recent years. A recent $737 million contract for 145 howitzer artillery guns placed with Britain’s BAE Systems went to the group’s American company.

    Vijay Mallya’s Extradition
    From Delhi, it is difficult to see what has been achieved with the special pleading by these ministers. Indeed, the arrest (and bailing) in London today of Vijay Mallya, the absconding liquor and airline tycoon, as the first step toward his extradition to India will make far bigger headlines than the ministers’ visits.

    The extradition, providing it goes through before or after the general election, will be seen as a significant gesture by the U.K., which has never agreed in the past to extradite anyone to India. That’s real action and beats a flood of visiting ministers.
     
  2. Averageamerican

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    Posted by: John Elliott | April 18, 2017
    Brexit Brit’s top ministers flood India seeking Empire 2.0 trade deals
    Shashi Tharoor’s attack on British rule got more attention in the UK

    Governor of the Bank of England came too, but who noticed?

    Three British cabinet ministers plus the governor of the Bank of England and two other government ministers trooped through India just before Easter in a seemingly desperate bid to drum up support from their largest former colony as Brexit looms – and before, following today’s announcement, they start campaigning for the UK’s June 8 general election.

    They were well received by the Indian government, but the UK no longer rates as one of India’s leading foreign relationships and they made little impression outside their formal meetings. This revived memories of visit splurges staged to little effect by former prime minister David Cameron.

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    Philip Hammond and Arun Jaitley, India’s finance minister

    Two prominent investment bankers in Mumbai said “zero” and “none” when I asked about the impact of the visit by Philip Hammond, Chancellor of the Exchequer, who brought Mark Carney, the Bank of England governor with him. “I didn’t know they were here,” said the head of a large business group.

    Shashi Tharoor, a provocative Indian MP and author, and a former top United Nations official, seems by contrast with the ministers to have made much more impact in the UK, where last month he was publicising his best-selling book, Inglorious Empire, that castigates the British for what he sees as its cruel and economically debilitating rule in India. Some 8,000 copies were sold in the first month after publication.

    The comparison may appear unfair, but Tharoor has kicked off a debate about Britain’s failure to acknowledge its mis-deeds. His book, titled An Era of Darkness in its original Indian edition, has sold over 40,000 copies since it was published last November, making it the top title for Aleph, its publisher. Tharoor has suggested that Britain should apologise for plundering the Indian economy and for horrors such as the Amritsar massacre in 1919 of hundreds of non-violent protesters and pilgrims.

    [​IMG]

    There is a Brexit link with Tharoor’s lucid and sometime passionate arguments because he is stirring up anti-colonial memories just as Britain is hoping that the 52 Commonwealth former colonies will give it a special welcome when it comes to negotiate bi-lateral trade deals. There is even talk of a surely improbable multi-lateral deal with the Commonwealth, an international association that achieves little but is seeking new roles for its biennial CHOGM assembly in London early next year.

    The risk is that Tharoor is stirring up post-colonial angst that could generate tougher trade deal negotiations and even opposition to Britain. That seems unlikely to happen in India, which is much more concerned with UK visa problems faced by Indian businessmen and students.

    The British civil service has not helped by dubbing its Commonwealth ambitions as Empire 2.0 (initially for an Africa free trade zone). The Times has reported that the title was coined by sceptical officials worried about the high priority being given by ministers to trade deals with Commonwealth nations, but it is now being seen as misplaced old imperial ambition.

    The British ministers’ visits to India were mostly focussed on meetings of annual “dialogues” on specific subjects. They were also reported in the UK to be part of a drive called by Theresa May for ministers to spend the Easter break selling Britain abroad. Liam Fox the trade minister, toured South East Asia, and May went to the Middle East (West Asia).

    Stock expressions

    Arun Jaitley, India’s finance minister, gave Hammond and his colleagues a good reception, saying that the UK was “looking at a different kind of relationship with India” and there was “a huge aspiration in India itself also to add to and improve upon that relationship”. The talks would take the relationship to “an entirely different level” said Jaitley, using a stock Indian expression that usually means little if anything.

    Two-way merchandise trade between India and the UK has fallen in recent years to around $14bn, though both countries are among the top three investors in each other’s economy. Part of Hammond’s focus was on expanding services trade, especially financial services, building on rupee-dominated “masala bonds” that were launched in London last year to raise funds for India’s infrastructure. He offered financing for India’s Make in India campaign though that project’s problem is less to do with finance than finding foreign companies that will generate manufacturing jobs.

    These were good workman-like talks but scarcely justified the sudden mass of ministerial visits, nor the strange attachment of the Bank of England governor, who is supposedly independent of government and could have made a splash on his own.

    Also with Hammond was commercial secretary Baroness Neville-Rolfe and international trade minister Mark Garnier plus, on a separate energy mission, secretary of state for business, energy and industrial strategy, Greg Clark.

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    Michael Fallon arrives for his meeting with Arun Jaitley, who is also defence minister (photo Pritam Bandyopadhyay)

    The final minister was probably the most focused, though his main aims were long term. Michael Fallon, the defence secretary, brought a posse of army and air force officers and set his sights on developing design and manufacturing relationships, with the prospect of the sort of high technology transfer that India wants.

    He also offered to advise India on how to improve and reform its massive defence establishment, explaining in great detail how Britain had transformed its over-large and inefficient operations. He also talked about new orders for Britain’s Hawk trainer jet, which is assembled in India, and for a more advanced version, though the UK has been less successful than the US, Russia and France in gaining major orders in recent years. A recent $737m contract for 145 howitzer artillery guns placed with Britain’s BAE Systems went to the group’s American company.

    Vijay Mallya’s extradition

    From Delhi, it is difficult to see what has been achieved with the special pleading by these ministers. Indeed, the arrest (and bailing) in London today of Vijay Mallya, the absconding liquor and airline tycoon, as the first step towards his extradition to India will make far bigger headlines than the ministers’ visits.

    The extradition, providing it goes through before or after the general election, will be seen as a significant gesture by the UK, which has never agreed in the past to extradite anyone to India. That’s real action and beats a flood of visiting ministers.
     
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    Shashi Tharoor did a wonderful job and favour to British .
    It is a latest news that Shashi's speech creates such a level of wave in UK .In India it was just a two day phenomena.
     
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